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I wanted to wait until I saw the movie again to post...

After my first viewing, I would have said "I enjoyed it, but why o why did they make those changes!!".

During my second viewing, I forgot more about the book and concentrated on the film as a whole. And I think it works. I see why they make the changes -I don't necessarily agree, but I see why. Most of them seem to be about stripping the story of the most fantastic/obscure/faery-like stuff for the general public. Let's face it, things like Faery, the little burrow-man, the nursery rhymes, etc, are great in the story but they are in-references for people who do know about Gaiman/obscure faery stories. For the general public they'd be weird and alienate them from the stroy, and this is a film for the general public, not for Gaiman fans.
And things like the ending, even though they are out-of-character for the story, they work within the film -peopel want to see a big ending, a fight, some spectacular stuff.

I think it's a good enough film. It's entertaining, it's funny, it's very adventurous-y and it looks gorgeous. In repy to Elizabeth's question, I didn't think it was overly romantic. I think the comparison with Princess Bride is just some publicity thing, and because Princess Bride also mixes romance with adventure and pirates and humour. But it doens't have a lot of romance in it, I thought. I think it has the same amount of romance that, say, Pirates of the Caribbean has.


As for Danes, I did like her, and I do think she's a magnificent actress (see My Life for complexity and emotions), but I think the fault there is at directing and, very possibly, writing. Her speech was not well-delivered, it's true -but the speech itself made me cringe in embarrassment. It's so full of empty clichés it reminded me of dialogue out of One Tree Hill (not that I watch it, but I've had to translate it).


 
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i really enjoyed it, and i have to admit that that was partly because i had lots of opportunities for going "why on EARTH did they take THAT bit out? why did they change that??? noooo" which was fun. Big Grin

but i thought the comparison with princess bride was notably held up with the inclusion of lines such as "murdered by pirates" which i was just WAITING to be finished with "...is good".

i like claire danes, so i enjoyed what she was doing, but there were a few places where i thought "hang on. shouldn't she be a LOT more pissed at him?". however, michelle pfeiffer was *magnificent*. really REALLY enjoyed every moment she was on screen. Bob DeNiro needs to be told that gay people are not all as camp as he seems to believe. the princes were fanTAStic, just loved every moment they were on screen, and without them the movie would have been so much poorer. i adooooooooored the way lamia dealt, finally, with septimus, i thought that was SO beautifully done.

all in all, this is definitely one for the dvd wishlist. Big Grin


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Absolutely agree on the princes and on Pfeiffer. I'd recommend the film only because of them. (I now officially love Septimus, btw.)

The only thing that pisses me off of the changes they made and that it doesn't add up is changing the deadline -I totally agree that a year for a film is way too long (again, for the general public, not necessarily for me). But shortening it for a week is totally ridiculous. It makes everything so less believable -Tristran 's growing up, love flourishing, everything. and ther'es absolutely no reason why they couldn't have said "a month" and everything would fit just so much better.


 
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If they hadn't overly stressed the "this-many-days 'til Victoria's birthday" and then kept showing them traveling, Tristran learning to fence, them helping out on the pirate ship, them traveling some more... it just didn't click. I suppose it was to make us think/believe that time works differently in faerie, but it just detracted from my entertainment.



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But, Maeve, it wasn't Faerie in the film, it's just "the magical realm of Stormhold" (and unless you're familiar with faerie stories, which most people are not, you wouldn't think time works different there... I don't think that's the case, it's just sloppy writing, that one).


 
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Bom dia, a todos. Escrevo para agradecer a Neil Gaiman pela história que contou. Assisti somente ao filme, não li esse livro. De seus trabalhos conheço apenas Sandman (que adoro).
A história (com todas as diferenças que tenha do escrito) é fabulosa. Quero sinceramente agradecer. Obrigada!
 
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sheesh - no wonder it really clicked for me then! I understood Faerie! I understood the Wall enclosing a big meadow and looping out from a big dark forest... I never understood the movie representation.

I only saw it once and I couldn't help but compare it to the book - even though I *know* it's an adaptation. If I could somehow combine the book and the extra bits of the movie I'd prolly be happier.

I still prefer the book over the movie, but it's kinda like saying I prefer dark chocolate over milk chocolate Smile

Erica - welcome aboard! I'm sorry, but I am utterly clueless about what you're saying - I only speak American, sorry.



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yeah, that week for Tristan (why not Tristran?) to become an excellent swordsman seemed a little unlikely, even within the universe created in the film.

a month would, indeed, have been much better.


Limertilly: A pagan deity forgotten by man and therefore banished to the realms of memory and darkness now remembered by a young girl in downtown L.A. in the form of a dream and therefore freed to reap your revenge on the people who discarded you, thereby forcing said girl to learn to use her innate yet awesome powers as a soothsayer to gather forces of the Earth to defy you and once more banish you to your cold, cold prisoooooon

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Originally posted by Erica:
Bom dia, a todos. Escrevo para agradecer a Neil Gaiman pela história que contou. Assisti somente ao filme, não li esse livro. De seus trabalhos conheço apenas Sandman (que adoro).
A história (com todas as diferenças que tenha do escrito) é fabulosa. Quero sinceramente agradecer. Obrigada!


Ooh. Let me give this a shot, I used to speak Portuguese. Erica writes (maybe Wink):

"Hello everyone. I'm writing to thank Neil Gaiman for the story he told. I've just seen the film, I haven't read the book. Of his other work, I only know Sandman (which I adore). The story (with all the differences it may have from the written one) is fabulous. My sincerest thanks."


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Hello,

saw the movie on Saturday and thought to share my thoughts with you (well since I have been lurking for so long around here, I thought it was about time).

For me the movie was eye candy. Wonderful scenery, costumes etc. Michelle Pfeifer, rocks my world (I blame it on watching Lady Hawk at a tender age). The ghosts were hilarious. But...

My objections lie on the fact that they changed the philosophy of the book. Neil Gaiman's heroes are common people. They are neither heroes, nor antiheroes. They are people. And they suffer losses. In the book there is no miraculous cure for a broken leg that has not healed properly. Stars do not eat, sleep or conceive babies by humans. Tristan dies of old age having a badly scarred hand. Things do not come cheap or easily.

In the movie bad people get their comeuppance, even ditchwater Sally, while Una can utter phrases such as "Show me you are as brave as I know you are" (I don't have the script in front of me so I may be paraphrasing a lot) and people die after their children and grand children are all grown up, to live forever as stars.

All in all it was a nice fairy tale movie but without the hidden edges that make Mr Gaiman's book worth reading.

I apologise for the length of the post, but I tend to get passionate about things.



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Thanks to Clover and the others who responded to my film questions!
I did indeed back out of the movie again on Wednesday, and tomorrow's Halloween, and I'm not sure if it will be at the theatre more than 3 weeks, so it looks like I may have missed it. I'll look for it on the movie channels in a few months, at least.


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Although I think it's a great film for the big screen (that beautiful landscape...), I also think it's also a great film to watch at home, curled up on the sofa with a hot chocolate... especially if you're not too excited about it in the first place!
And, Elizabeth, if you're ever willing to read it, I so recommend the illustrated version! Actually I just saw this new edition the other day, all four issues bound together in a hardcover book, and some extra material (I forget what it was, it could be A Fall of Stardust stuff...). It had the look of an old children's picture book and looked gorgeous (as well as readable).


 
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I actually own half the comics (couldn't find one halfway through, that's why I never finished)--I'm sure I'll read it someday (the other problem is I only moved my signed Gaiman stuff so far--everything else is in storage in the States!).


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And I suppose I'm a little spoiled--having seen the landscape firsthand...but it was one of the reasons (the other being to support Neil) that I would have gone. Smile


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Hi. Obviously doubt thast Neil would read every blog but hey ho! american gods saved my holiday last week although I got a burnt back reading it! (even in the shade!!) and got home to watch Stardust not realising that that was you too!! Bought your comics as far back as the original black orchid GNs with Dave McKean. Was never sure sure who was the imagrist (if that is a word) although it is becoming clearer. On ebay buying up your other works and wish you well for the future. I think I might have met you yrs ago at he phantom zone in croydon, but damned if i can be bothered to look through my collection to confirm!

Cheers and KEEP WRITING!!

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i was absolutely disappointed in the movie, i know its a tall order to stay true to the book, but at least, keep the ending the way it should be.

why must everything be 'happily ever after' in hollywood?


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hello,

I saw it about a week ago...Is very good. But I must admit I had to resist the urge to nit pick myself. Robert DeNiro is a legend!! ^^
 
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I was waiting for this movie so long and...

I´m so sad about it.

The beauty of the history it´s missing.

But it will be a hit. Sure.

But not for me
 
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Loved the movie, haven't read the book.

There were a couple of Hollywood brutalities that *almost* spoiled it for me - the star's speech to the mouse, and the vomitworthy applause scene at the end - why does Hollywood patronise audiences by having people clapping on screen? - but most of it was funny and fun.

The character actors were brilliant. Loved the witches. Loved the supremely evil Michelle Pfeiffer. Loved the goat. Loved the dead princes, and the live ones.

And I actually loved the interlude with the lighting cap'n too. And the scenery - definitely, definitely going to Skye soon.

Now to read the book.
 
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Saw the movie on the plane going home from Singapore. I always wanted to watch it and since I never have enough time at home, watching it in the air was a treat! (And a good way to while away the 19-hour boredom.)

Loved it. Enough said.

Only when I got in L.A. did I see the movie was adapted from a book Neil Gaiman wrote in the airport bookstore. Was going to buy the book, but Coraline caught my eye instead. Stardust will be my next Neil Gaiman book to read, definitely.
 
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