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This is a question about "Other People" from Fragile Things. Who knows what a "lazarene's daughter" is? I have a clue, but I'm not sure... I think it's on page 110...
 
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A Lazarene is an unmarried woman. (well the only reference I found was here http://www.ohfs.org/newsletter/2003_first_quarter.html) So a Lazarene's Daughter would be a girl from an unwed mother. I don't believe that it's an actual torture tool, I think it is more symbolic. More like the idea of being tortured with a girl who might have lived through a lot of pain. It did make mention that the man being tortured had cheated on his wife. It also could be implying that he was being tortured with his own child from his affair.

Of course this is all just speculation. I am no expert on the topic.
 
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^I never thought of that (it makes a little more sense than mine)

I'm not entirely sure if this is valid, but i had to do a book review thing, so i did a little research. I think (thought) the bit about a "lazarene's daughter" refers to the story of Lazarus, who was a beggar living outside the walls of the house of a rich man, who never aids Lazarus. Both men die, Lazarus goes to heaven, the rich man (who has no name in the story, like the main character in "Other People") goes to hell, where he begs for a drop of water from Lazarus. I think that part relates to when the main character wishes for the physical torture, instead of the mental torture (like t begging for water in hell). Its a bit of a stretch, but oh well.

That was a really long response...
 
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I suspect that the answer is that a Nazarene's Daughter is a picturesque and painful figment of Neil's imagination... and what a wonderful one - it conjures up an image of something that is exquisitely suited to refined torture and thoroughly esoteric. Like eleven on the amplifier volume control.

And I bet even Jacqueline Carey doesn't know what one is. So there!
 
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I've not read the story, so I don't know how relevant this is, but Lazar is an old term for a Leper. So conceivable a Lazarene's Daughter could be the spawn of a leper.





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It is a made up device name and an example of Gaiman's exquisitely subtle allusions. Remember, the demon had "no sex" (no penis) by the time the man saw him. And the LD was a device he had been "intimate" with. Apparently, putting your penis into the daughter of a Lazarene can be risky!
 
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On the other hand, a "scavenger's daughter" is a torture device, invented by Leonard Skevington, 16th century Lieutenant of the Tower of London. According to the book Theatre of Hell by Dr. Haha Lung and Christopher B. Prowant (a very disturbing read, by the way), it's "An instrument of torture which compresses the body by forcing the head down between the knees, often forcing blood from the nose and ears. (See Figures 4 and 5.)"

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It is a made up device name and an example of Gaiman's exquisitely subtle allusions. Remember, the demon had "no sex" (no penis) by the time the man saw him. And the LD was a device he had been "intimate" with. Apparently, putting your penis into the daughter of a Lazarene can be risky!




Perhaps he was riffing on the old joke:


What did the leper say to the prostitute?


You can keep the tip.





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ha! the truth could not be as good as that answer.


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Ok the "Lazarene's Daughter" is a torture device wich affects (injures/causes harm) to the lower "Anotomy" of a male. This is said because after reading the story we know that arrogant sinful men are sent to this torture room (maybe a part of hell in which humans repent for thier sins with physical and emotional torture) to relize thier mistakes and the causing of hurt they placed on the earth and "other people" in a "butter fly effect" manner. Then after they have understood their mistakes through trials of deep, deep physical and emotional torture and self reflection, they themselves turn into demons and are in turn the ones responsible for the new arrivals "Trials"(Time is fluid here) Saying that, the demons were "flayed" (skinned at one point),has deep scars etc. Now it also says the demon has no sex but it must have had one before its arrival in "hell" because the the character being tortured is male. Being the device is named the "Lazaren's Daughter" must imply it has something to do whith the penis because he has had the oppurtunity to know the implent "intamantily" which can only mean one thing. 211th item (lazarene's daughter) = removal of lower anatomy (male) = sex (male/Female) seems to not exist thus conluding the Lazarene's Daughter is a torture device that removes the penis.


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Ok the "Lazarene's Daughter" is a torture device wich affects (injures/causes harm) to the lower "Anotomy" of a male. This is said because after reading the story we know that arrogant sinful men are sent to this torture room (maybe a part of hell in which humans repent for thier sins with physical and emotional torture) to relize thier mistakes and the causing of hurt they placed on the earth and "other people" in a "butter fly effect" manner. Then after they have understood their mistakes through trials of deep, deep physical and emotional torture and self reflection, they themselves turn into demons and are in turn the ones responsible for the new arrivals "Trials"(Time is fluid here) Saying that, the demons were "flayed" (skinned at one point),has deep scars etc. Now it also says the demon has no sex but it must have had one before its arrival in "hell" because the the character being tortured is male. Being the device is named the "Lazaren's Daughter" must imply it has something to do whith the penis because he has had the oppurtunity to know the implent "intamantily" which can only mean one thing. 211th item (lazarene's daughter) = removal of lower anatomy (male) = sex (male/Female) seems to not exist thus conluding the Lazarene's Daughter is a torture device that removes the penis.

I just read this story this morning. What you said was my interpretation at first and then I was doubting myself. I was walking around trying to figure the ending like a detective repeating, "time is fluid here" until I said, "ohhhh!"
 
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