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Has no front teeth Member  |
Erm....hopefully this one isn't breeding. There should be a very short shallow dive into the gene pool here followed by a sharp *SNAP*. ______________________ Fandangling across the moony sky, went the Beezee bold as brass, side-saddle she sat, on a big painted bat, shooting moonbeams out of her a(censored)e. ~Joe ________________________ Isn't sanity really just a one trick pony, anyway? I mean, all you get is one trick, rational thinking! But when you're good and crazy¦ooh ooh ooh the sky's the limit! |
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is in perfect karmic alignment Member  |
Why do i get a cal to "confront me" on my day off?
You do not want to work with me, nor talk with me. Instead you levae me notes. And now you call me, accusing me of saying all sorts of things. Leave me be, and stop being so paranoid. ~You are a *Taverner*. Sometimes patrons want to go where everybody knows their names, though it helps when half of them are named John. When people want to celebrate, or commiserate, they gather to your establishment. You provide the atmosphere, the warmth, rum, and even an ear to bend. Did I mention the rum? Years before the language will be mangled with terms like facilitator and networking and interpersonal communication, you've overseen it all, and broken up a few bar fights, to boot.~ -Royko |
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will crush you with her mighty shoe Member  |
Harrassment much? There is always the option of waiting till 2 in the morning and calling them back with your response.
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is in perfect karmic alignment Member |
Batty :
 The situation is at the same time weirder and simpler than that. My working relationship with my colleague was never easy. She'd been working at the place for a long long long time and had bouts of not-wanting-to-be-there interspersed with bouts of I'm-still-the-manager. She was a little fickle in her demands, but as i believed her to be the manager, for beter or for worse, i did as she asked. There was a long time that i listened to her troubles with her boyfriend, her spats and problems with girlfriends. And one day i heard from another colleague she was *not* the manager at all, and had no call to give me orders, when se didn't feel much like working. Her way of inviting her friends to the store, her way of asking me to do things while she had a chat with a friend was becoming grating. And i confess, I didn't always shut up about it. Colleagues then told me, she'd come to the store with a rant about me. Then, the next day she confronted me in the store, in front of customers and an intern, that she didn't want to work with me anmore, because was too grumpy. I feebly told her i wasn't having this converstaion with her right then, she told me it wasn't a "conversation" she was "infroming me to my face." The very next day she'd changed the entire schedule around so that she wouldn't have to work with me again at all. Effect of imediately. As the schedule was far more convenient for me, i agreed happily: i was fine with this. One day i was asked to fill in one monday for a colleague. I was to be working with her that night. When i arrived, she told me she was going home, on account of a headache. She told me what to pay special attenton to, and left. Then the boss went on vacation. Everything seemed fine, untill one colleague became ill, and that left he stranded on saturday. She had told him, that whatever happened, on no account was i to be asked to fill in and work with her. Also fine. Next day i find out she left a 14 year old to work a very long shift, a 19 year old to supervise and she went home. I was angry about this. very. In my mind the boss couldn't get there on account of being on holiday, our other colleague was ill and in bed with a fever. She'd said she was sick, so was the only one who could get there reasonably quickly if something should happen, and i wasn't informed: worse, she'd told the guys to on no account call me to ask whether could fill in. To top it off, i found a little note with feedback on the counter when i opened sunday. The boy she'd asked to fill in, had to come from his girlfriends place, which is an hours train-ride. He was told it was urgent. He was livid. My other colleague felt cheated, because she'd said everything was arranged. Which it was not. Today the phone rings. My first thought was "it's going to be a colleague, telling me she's ill and to fill in." But no. It was her. *Why* i had thought her little note was offensive. *Why* i'd been angry about her decision for saturday. That it was ultimately her call. That i was talking behind her back. That she wasn't having it. That it was childish. That i had just felt "passed over" and why didn't i just say so. That she wanted a good working atmosphere.That i had said i didn't want to work with her at all ever again. Etcetera. So i told her my stance on this. (Again.)Which is in essence: I have no problem working with her, if it's filling in: but basically i want to keep this schedule because it's more convenient for me. That i was given to understand she categorically refused to work with me: and that's her decision. But that since that means we don't talk regularly sometimes, things are unclear in communication. That it's not very relevant who says what: this is my stance and she can take me up on it: I'm telling her my stance myself, directly, and i'll stand by it. But *why* oh why does she have to call me to accuse me of things. If she won't talk to me to the extent of leaving me little notes: why call. *sigh*. ~You are a *Taverner*. Sometimes patrons want to go where everybody knows their names, though it helps when half of them are named John. When people want to celebrate, or commiserate, they gather to your establishment. You provide the atmosphere, the warmth, rum, and even an ear to bend. Did I mention the rum? Years before the language will be mangled with terms like facilitator and networking and interpersonal communication, you've overseen it all, and broken up a few bar fights, to boot.~ -Royko |
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will crush you with her mighty shoe Member |
Oh, that just sucks! And the real boss doesn't see any of it? Would it be counter-productive to make a complaint to the real boss?
*big strong tired of putting up with crappy coworkers vibes* |
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is in perfect karmic alignment Member |
Oh the boss with certainly hear of it.
What gets to me is that it's all very tiresome and high-school. And i get to be a sensible adult about it, keep my temper and act responsibly for the good of the store as well as my colleagues. Should i lose it: she'll ofcourse blame my grumpyness, moodyness and vicious temper for the situation. So i get to take deep breaths and not take the bait. It's sch a senseless drain on my energy. ~You are a *Taverner*. Sometimes patrons want to go where everybody knows their names, though it helps when half of them are named John. When people want to celebrate, or commiserate, they gather to your establishment. You provide the atmosphere, the warmth, rum, and even an ear to bend. Did I mention the rum? Years before the language will be mangled with terms like facilitator and networking and interpersonal communication, you've overseen it all, and broken up a few bar fights, to boot.~ -Royko |
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is in perfect karmic alignment Member |
for the record: this is being sarcastic. I'm not particularly grumpy, nor am i very moody normally, nor is my temper very vicious. I'm not a fluffy toy by any stretch of the imagination, but usually friendly and cheerful. At least the rest of my coleagues think so, and were kind enough to support me a little by telling me so. Eta: Grrr. Why do *i* have to be the adult sensible one, when she's deliberately yanking my chain anyway. ~You are a *Taverner*. Sometimes patrons want to go where everybody knows their names, though it helps when half of them are named John. When people want to celebrate, or commiserate, they gather to your establishment. You provide the atmosphere, the warmth, rum, and even an ear to bend. Did I mention the rum? Years before the language will be mangled with terms like facilitator and networking and interpersonal communication, you've overseen it all, and broken up a few bar fights, to boot.~ -Royko |
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will crush you with her mighty shoe Member |
There is one like that everywhere. What kills me is they are almost always the older worker, the one who should have the maturity thing down pat already.
I definately don't get a grumpy vibe from you I know grumpy, you ain't grumpy. |
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Has no front teeth Member |
*waves hand, bounces in chair*
Ooh! Ooh! Pick me! Pick me! I'm old! And grumpy! All of us at work agree...my other name tag is "Picky Bitch" ______________________ Fandangling across the moony sky, went the Beezee bold as brass, side-saddle she sat, on a big painted bat, shooting moonbeams out of her a(censored)e. ~Joe ________________________ Isn't sanity really just a one trick pony, anyway? I mean, all you get is one trick, rational thinking! But when you're good and crazy¦ooh ooh ooh the sky's the limit! |
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is in perfect karmic alignment Member |
Part of the problem is the real boss. He doesn't put his foot down, and no-one is sure what her position is anyway. I believe she's absolutely *convinced* she's the floor-manager, the other colleague is absolutely *convinced* she's no such thing.
So she kept giving me "feedback" about how to do my job. Regardless of the quality of said feedback, is she even in a position to give me feedback and pointers, beyond what a normal colleague does. Etc. It's a mess basically. ~You are a *Taverner*. Sometimes patrons want to go where everybody knows their names, though it helps when half of them are named John. When people want to celebrate, or commiserate, they gather to your establishment. You provide the atmosphere, the warmth, rum, and even an ear to bend. Did I mention the rum? Years before the language will be mangled with terms like facilitator and networking and interpersonal communication, you've overseen it all, and broken up a few bar fights, to boot.~ -Royko |
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Great wyrm of Toronto Member  |
Freaking pettiness, Punkyfins. Wow. While I know you have talked a bit with me about Dutch labour law, and some the details behind how someone can fire a person there, I agree with the fact that your boss should fire her. The iron rod in her ass would probably be more useful around his spine.
There is nothing more frustrating than someone who is not only completely incompetent, but who clearly does not give a damn and expects to be paid for their lack of work at the cost of those who are trying to do their jobs with some modicum of dignity, and really just trying to survive. And when you add petty-ass bitchastry to the mix ... I really hope he cans her ass. Because in my world order, that is exactly what would happen to a ... person like that. You have, as always, my sympathies. *Hugs* This message has been edited. Last edited by: Mythos, ______________________________ Do not leave me with a bowl of anything for an extended period of time. |
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is in perfect karmic alignment Member |
I really blame myself for letting her get to me. Truly. I let her ruin another afternoon yesterday: just because she's *deliberately* saying hurtful things, most of which are untrue. It gets to me. From he accusations of my being difficult to impossible to work with, to accusations of uncollegeality, to her insistence that no-one likes me, because -obviously- i'm a bitch. For the life of me i cannot imagine why that undermines my confidence in myself, and why it would spoil my afternoon, you know? I should just shrug it off. ::shakes head:: ~You are a *Taverner*. Sometimes patrons want to go where everybody knows their names, though it helps when half of them are named John. When people want to celebrate, or commiserate, they gather to your establishment. You provide the atmosphere, the warmth, rum, and even an ear to bend. Did I mention the rum? Years before the language will be mangled with terms like facilitator and networking and interpersonal communication, you've overseen it all, and broken up a few bar fights, to boot.~ -Royko |
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Great wyrm of Toronto Member |
I can understand why you don't want to let it get to you and I can respect that, but seriously, you should not have to tolerate that crap. And she should not have that job. Maybe that's not how the real world works, but there it is.
*hugs* And I agree. She is the one with the problem. Not you. ______________________________ Do not leave me with a bowl of anything for an extended period of time. |
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has been eaten by a grue. Member |
you seem to believe her in part, which is probably why it bothers you (other than the fact that someone is being an utter bitch to you; that's always a downer). I doubt any of it is true; don't let her convince you that she's right. *hugs* ~ We're just babies making up a game, if you're right. But...babies playing a game can make a play-world which licks your real world hollow. That's why I'm going to stand by the play-world. ~ Elite Special Force Procrastinator, trained in High Arts of Extended Coffee Breaks and Master Linguist of the Water Cooler Conversation |
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is in perfect karmic alignment Member |
Thanks babes. You make me feel like less of an idiot.*hugs* Eta: @Apathy, thanks hon. One of the sensitive issues was that our intern did not get worked-in properly if at all, so tried my best wth him. Her using him as leverage "It's just not very collegial of you to tell him he shouldn't be working 10 hour shifts. He's not happy about your saying that" coupled with the fact that it wouldn't be a good idea to tell *him* it's technically not legal is painful. So yes, part of what she's saying really cuts. ~You are a *Taverner*. Sometimes patrons want to go where everybody knows their names, though it helps when half of them are named John. When people want to celebrate, or commiserate, they gather to your establishment. You provide the atmosphere, the warmth, rum, and even an ear to bend. Did I mention the rum? Years before the language will be mangled with terms like facilitator and networking and interpersonal communication, you've overseen it all, and broken up a few bar fights, to boot.~ -Royko |
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has been eaten by a grue. Member |
arg! that's very frustrating.
may she choke on her own maliciousness. ~ We're just babies making up a game, if you're right. But...babies playing a game can make a play-world which licks your real world hollow. That's why I'm going to stand by the play-world. ~ Elite Special Force Procrastinator, trained in High Arts of Extended Coffee Breaks and Master Linguist of the Water Cooler Conversation |
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is in perfect karmic alignment Member |
**hugs** thanks you guys for your support.
~You are a *Taverner*. Sometimes patrons want to go where everybody knows their names, though it helps when half of them are named John. When people want to celebrate, or commiserate, they gather to your establishment. You provide the atmosphere, the warmth, rum, and even an ear to bend. Did I mention the rum? Years before the language will be mangled with terms like facilitator and networking and interpersonal communication, you've overseen it all, and broken up a few bar fights, to boot.~ -Royko |
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will crush you with her mighty shoe Member |
That was fantastic! Would the boss be helpful enough to ask what her position in the store is? Just so you don't feel so torn about whether to be pc or kick her in the shins. You are wonderful, remember that! And if you forget, kick her in the shins. If she complains you can always say "Kick her? No! I saw her clear as day walk right into that shelf unit! That's how that bruise must have gotten there!" |
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Wigber Member  |
GAH!
i have requested a week off in August. because a certain mythical Hawaiian creature is coming to see me. which is exciting. but. i put in the first request in... April. it was immediately denied, as i knew it would be, but i was able to talk to my manager about it. i put in the second request a month ago, talked to my then-manager (different than the one in April) about it, and was assured that she would get it off for me. its been sitting there at "pending" for a month, because i moved contracts. so yesterday i talked to my new manager. she said to cancel the previous request and resubmit it then email her. so i did. i have now emailed her twice. i know she's here, i can see her desk from mine. i specifically asked in the email that she keep me informed on the status of my request. i don't think she realizes that if she doesn't get this going? i still won't be here on those days. i'll say i got sick, i'll use my Family Days, i'll take the occurences, but i won't be at work. GAH. *checks email again* ____________________________ Future First Lady of Cyberspace Green Robot World the Canadian half of Minobot! |
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Wigber Member  |
AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
HHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH working new job. today is one of those days where there is lots of brain storming and hair pulling and name calling. and its swinging from ultra-stress to absurdist humour. and i'm on the verge of becoming incapacitated. argh. |
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