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Originally posted by St.Barbarella:
Ah yes, that would help!

Generally, I used to think that over 5 sexual partners was wrong. Prostitutes and any sex-worker in any form and the people who visited them, were just sick-minded.

Sex should only be used to make babies, and also to show your partner how much you cared about them.


Nowadays, my views are almost the opposit. As in, sex can not only be used for baby making and making love, but also for a whole host of other good things that I'm not really sure of yet as I have a vast unexplored world of sexuality I have yet to discover (which is what I plan on doing at University )

I agree with most of that. I think people should explore their sexuality as much as they want to, but there are consequences to the choices you make.

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Originally posted by Eldi:
I can't because I've never been addicted to anything. I've never taken any drugs and I will never be with someone who is currently taking even mild drugs recreationally.

Out of interest: Do you include people who drink alcohol? Or smoke? (I won't ask about coffee, because that would only be peevish... but it's quite definitely a drug, just not an illegal one.)

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Originally posted by Eldi:
I agree with most of that. I think people should explore their sexuality as much as they want to, but there are consequences to the choices you make.

Yes, I completely agree with you there. It works both ways. Sex-wise, it's not always worked out for me in the past due to the choices I made. However, in the future, I hope to make well-informed choices due to my knowledge and maturity and experience. As in, wearing protection, taking the pill, personal safety and what I want out of a sexual relationship and who I want it with. (I say, ‘in the future’ cos at the moment I’m not particularly interested in sex….not to the extent that I want to go out and find someone. I’m kinda holding off till September)

I totally believe that what you'd call casual sex can be safe and fun, as long as you are prepared.

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Originally posted by Big Ass Panda:
Ironically, I think prositution should be legal but heavily regulated. (mandatory protection, regular STD screening, meetings with case workers to make sure that a woman doesn't feel trapped into what she's doing)

I totally agree with this, and I believe it's the best course of action for sex-work in general.

Has anyone brought up the historical part of prostitution?

(i.e. i am too lazy/busy to read the ENTIRETY of this thread)

I think they have briefly, but I don't think it's the main issue.

A lot of it stems from current problems of sex-trafficing, girls and children being kept against their will etc...

Which is why I think that legalising it would do a lot of good, or at least mean that people who want to operate can, and people who want to visit can do so in safety.

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Originally posted by Thirith & His Enormous Tibia:

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Originally posted by Eldi:
I can't because I've never been addicted to anything. I've never taken any drugs and I will never be with someone who is currently taking even mild drugs recreationally.

Out of interest: Do you include people who drink alcohol? Or smoke? (I won't ask about coffee, because that would only be peevish... but it's quite definitely a drug, just not an illegal one.)

I'm okay with caffine although i do know it is a drug. I fucking love my monsters.

I do include alchohol. My parents were hardcore boozers and it really fucked my life up. I wont have that in my life. Smoking is gross, I've never found a woman who smokes attractive.

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Originally posted by ladykatza:
Has anyone brought up the historical part of prostitution?

(i.e. i am too lazy/busy to read the ENTIRETY of this thread)

I watched this really interesting thing about prostitution on the history channel. It talked about how there used to be these women in south america who were considered the more spiritual people of the cities or what ever. I forget what part at the moment. Anyway, they would stand on the side of the river, chewing chicklets, wearing a lot of bright colored make up and were essentially protitutes.

I think its odd that most of the hookers on any street corner still have that image. Cept the spiritual part.

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Originally posted by Babylon the Bride:
I suspect most men I meet have their experiences that way (well, the older ones anyway. Money issues).

Just this week our chief of financial police was suspended. One reason was that the corrupt boss of a major bank had invited him to a brothel for...er...a business party, I believe.
The problem was not the brothel but the fact that he'd let himself be invited (bribery).

A few of the European posters have mentioned that it's common for businesses to have meetings or parties at a brothel.

How does that affect the women that are working at a company? Would they be invited to one of these parties? Would their sex be sponsored in the same way? How important are these parties for networking, etc?

I'm curious because I know that some of my female friends who've worked in mostly-male law firms were left out of a lot networking and mentoring opportunities in their firms because they weren't invited/wouldn't go to strip clubs with co-workers and partners. This wasn't really common, and I can't say it made a huge difference in their careers, but I know of two women where it played a factor in them deciding to move to a different firm or line of work. Sort of a symptom of the fact that they would never be treated like "one of the boys" because they weren't boys, and they wouldn't get the plum assignments because the managing partners liked "the boys" better.

Do women in the corporate world face the same issues there, or are they welcomed? None of the people from countries where prostitution is legal seem to have a problem with it - would a significant percentage of women in your countries agree with you, and be okay with attending these parties, if invited?

I've paid for sex...many, many times over. It really is a violent sport, that.
WR

Joc-

Obviously, being in the bible belt, going to a whore house (so as not to mince words) doesn't happen around here. However, I have been invited to go with company people to strip clubs and other risque' venues because I do not have issue with nudity. If a woman wants to shake her stuff and get handed money for it, I'm all for it. While I am not bi-sexual in practice, I prefer looking at naked women than men. Women are just nicer to look at. I found that once the men realized that I am ok with all this, they treat me as part of the group. They also like it because the women will often spend more time with the group because I am there and I make them more comfortable. *shrug* I don't know why.

I think it also helps that I am married, and so in their mind "off limits" (since I do not advertise my open relationship to people I work with). All this is not something that happens often, and in my case, has only happened on a company tab once. Usually its just co-workers getting together outside work, but that counts as networking.

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Originally posted by thegirlthattimeforgot:
i am very happy that i have never had to ask a potential sexual partner for an AIDs test...because i have always dealt with honest men who shared all the details of their sexual history with me.

and that mentality is *one* of the reasons that AIDs spreads. because people are blindly accepting their lover's word as truth. i can appreciate that you may have known your past partners for some time before you slept with them, and i'm sure you were in a situation where you had built trust with each other. but trust is not truth. you can't *know* that he hasn't had unprotected sex with someone before you. you just can't. and as wonderful as condoms can be at protecting against STDs and pregnancy, they are NOT failsafe. if you think you are safe from aids because you use "protection" and have an honest man, then you are deluding yourself, and you are putting yourself and future partners at risk.

I know I am not perfectly safe from AIDS, but I believe that while I am an activly sexual adult, I am 99.9% safe.

There are no absolutes in the world, but you can be pretty darn close if you take the right precautions.

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Originally posted by Big Ass Panda:
I know I am not perfectly safe from AIDS, but I believe that while I am an activly sexual adult, I am 99.9% safe.

There are no absolutes in the world, but you can be pretty darn close if you take the right precautions.

one of those precuations is making sure you and your partner are tested regularly.

I'd also like to add that AIDS is not just obtained though sex. Blood transfusions, cuts and grazes etc..

You may know you haven't got AIDS, the other person may think they haven't got aids, but that doesn't mean shit, no matter how honest you both are.

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Originally posted by St.Barbarella:
I'd also like to add that AIDS is not just obtained though sex. Blood transfusions, cuts and grazes etc..

You may know you haven't got AIDS, the other person may think they haven't got aids, but that doesn't mean shit, no matter how honest you both are.

Great posting.

The chances of getting AIDS through non-sexual means is very rare today.

At one point in time, transfusions were indeed a prime method of transmission, however nowadays this is almost impossible with the blood screening that they do today.

Plus AIDS dies when in contact with the air, or so the medical community says so transmission through cuts are very rare also.

In fact I'd say you're probably more likely to get hit by lightning than get AIDS from a non-sexually method of transmission. It's still possible, but very rare.

And no, you don't know that you're 100% safe, but I know that my current partner has only had intercourse with one guy before me, and one time at that during which time they were using a condom the entire time. The two of us are very open about talking about this kind of thing so I trust her about it.

I know I am clean because I had a complete pannel of STD's (including AIDS) done when my bloodwork was coming up funky a while back.

Honestly, is there a 100% chance that we're safe? No, but I can say with a certain amount of confidence that I have nothing to worry about.

Oh, if you have time, listen to this:
http://mefeedia.com/feeds/15688/

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No. 850 of 01/29/07: Teen Prostitution is a bigger problem than many Nevadans might realize. We speak with a local judge who has focused on the issue. He depicts a problem that has become a crisis.
Then: Our expert panel concludes our discussion of Teen Prostitution in Las Vegas. Dave Berns hosts.

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Jim in Las Vegas: Until we legalize prostitution and recreational drugs we really have no way of controlling them. If we allow the people the opportunity to obtain these , legally, we can control them. If we do not make them legal, they can not be controlled, unless you can convince the users that their God will punish them or that a terrorist will get them.

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Originally posted by St.Barbarella:
>snip<

You may know you haven't got AIDS, the other person may think they haven't got aids, but that doesn't mean shit, no matter how honest you both are.>/snip<

this is the short version of what i was trying to say. trust is good, test is better.

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Originally posted by punkrockgirl:

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Originally posted by Crow Girl:

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Originally posted by thegirlthattimeforgot:
i am very happy that i have never had to ask a potential sexual partner for an AIDs test...because i have always dealt with honest men who shared all the details of their sexual history with me.

and that mentality is *one* of the reasons that AIDs spreads. because people are blindly accepting their lover's word as truth. i can appreciate that you may have known your past partners for some time before you slept with them, and i'm sure you were in a situation where you had built trust with each other. but trust is not truth. you can't *know* that he hasn't had unprotected sex with someone before you. you just can't. and as wonderful as condoms can be at protecting against STDs and pregnancy, they are NOT failsafe. if you think you are safe from aids because you use "protection" and have an honest man, then you are deluding yourself, and you are putting yourself and future partners at risk.

i really take exception to this post...i KNOW that i don't have AIDS...nor do any of my former partners. and i don't need a test to prove that.
i have never had a partner who has slept with more than four people. and all of them have known their other sexual partners for a long time and are still in contact with them. so if anyone had developed any kind of disease of any sort that was communicable...it would have been reported to their former partners...because everyone with whom i associate is an honest, responsible adult. that's why i can trust them. the people you cannot trust are one-night stands with whom you don't have contact before or after sex...and since i have never engaged in a one-night-stand and never will...i don't feel the need to worry about it.
and btw...the reason i responded is that i find your statement about people with "my mentality" to be offensive. and since my threads and posts will continue to exist on this board, i will voice my sentiments on the matter.

Calm down, she wasn't attacking you personally. The statement is that ONE of the reasons aids gets spread around so widely is because not enough people are testing to see if they've got HIV. It isn't a question about the type of people you're around, it isnt a question of the type of partners you've had, or how frequently.

The only thing that is being said is that ONE of the reasons aids is spread around is because a very high number of people with AIDS or HIV don't even know they have it, so they can't tell people ahead of time.

punkrockgirl, before you get all pissy, consider this:

So, you've never had a partner that had slept with more than four other people? Well, let's see here. Let's say you've slept with 2 people. Those 2 people have each slept with 2 other people. You've now been exposed to six people's potential diseases. And, likely, each of those partners had slept with a couple other people, bringing the number to 14. And the chain keeps going, back and back and back unless there are people in the chain who got together when they were both virgins. Even by only having maybe 2 partners, ever, unless each of those partners were virgins you have now been exposed to who knows how many other people's sexual history. I'm sorry if you're offended by the FACTS presented by myself or Crow Girl, but it is a FACT that there is NO way to know that you have not been exposed to an STD unless you are tested or have NEVER had any type of bodily fluid exposure (blood, saliva, semen, whatever) to another person (which is highly unlikely. Mono doesn't go around the volleyball team because all the girls are having sex with each other [shut up, Tongster ]; it happens because they are all drinking out of each other's water bottles.)

I understand you not feeling the need to worry about it, and you're probably fine. I've never been tested for HIV or AIDS either. But I don't go around claiming to KNOW that I don't have it. I just feel my risk is low. You'll need to be able to distinguish between feelings and facts, if want to have a good time posting on this board.