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Alright... so i FINNALLY read this thing... as a comic or as a work of 'literature', it isn't anything special... but in the Afterword Neil says he wanted to capture the feel of reading the old Marvel comics... to which i say:
WOOHOO! DR STRANGE TEAMING UP WITH NICK FURY! MAGNETO BEING COOL! DR DOOM IS THE MAN! DAREDEVIL SINGING SONGS ABOUT THE FANTASTIC FOUR! EARLY X-MEN! AMERICA AS THE SAVAGE LAND! etc seriously, it was tons of fun. Daredevil was quite cool, the Fantastic Four as elementals trapped under a mountain was cool, the interaction between the different mutant (er, Witchbreed) factions was neat... even the Thor thing was pretty cool, and i liked Peter Parqhar even if (or because) he didn't become Spider-Man art was very neat, especially Daredevil's coolness the talking head of Dr Strange was cool the bit with the Templar talking about what it was like to NOT be Thor was also cool stuff i didn't like? there wasn't enough difference from the normal Marvel Universe the future where the superheroes are rounded up and captured is interesting... why wasn't it expanded on more? having Uahatu the Watcher explain everything is kinda old not enough Dr Strange weirdness! the glimpse of the Ditko Dr Strange art was a taste of what should have been there, especially with Neil's talent for the cosmic of all the villians to have an army of, why'd Doom choose The Vulture? i dislike Scott Summers and Captain America, but thats just a general thing Virgina Dare seemed way too obscure a character (Snowbird, right?) to base the future of everything on the ending... WTF? what did Magneto do? how'd that interact with the lightning? anyway, very good stuff... now i want Neil to write a series about Nick Fury and Dr Strange... or just Dr Strange |
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mama love her llama Member  |
i couldn't figure out virginia dare either.
then i read one the forward by Sanderson, here:
lookit me, i'm postin! wheee! |
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ah yeah... thats cool...
but i was thinking in terms of 'comic book logic'... like... you had the original X-Men team, and Hulk, and Peter Parker and Thor and all these iconic Marvel characters... but the whole thing hinges on someone who, as near as i can tell, is Snowbird, from the old Canadian team Alpha Flight, known mostly for introducing Wolverine and being lead by an openly gay character? and i coulde be misremembering who she is? i liked the bit where Bobby Drake (or whatever Iceman's first name was here) was related to that famous explorer Drake.. any explanations on the ending? Magneto visualizing infinity? huh? one thing that struck me was how... RIGHT Neil got the characters. i thought they'd be like Sandman characters, but they really came off like they should... Fury's competance, the various X-Men... i think he could have done so much more with Dr Doom, since his character works perfectly in an earlier time-- really play on the whole 'feudal lord of his people' thing he has in the comics, and his combo of magic and supersience and all that also, i didn't get any of the 'real' historical stuff, so i kinda ignored that... all the annexing England and the king of Scotland... god. i know exactly who the big bald guy on the Moon is and what he does, but i don't know about the actual kings and queens of England... kinda reflects badly on me, but its true |
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mama love her llama Member |
er... no, i think virginia dare is supposed to be virginia dare, world history drastically altered by captain america's presence in the past and absolutely nothing to do with Snowbird (whose name is... Narya?) at all. i think. i haven't read it in a year or so, but i thought everything hinged on captain america... and i've no idea about magneto, sorry.
i too had that moment while talking with friends, when i realized i could detail the entire claremont phoenix saga, but i wasn't sure at all about the dates of the civil war. kind of sad... lookit me, i'm postin! wheee! |
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yeah, nerdiness is like that... i know more about what happened in the MU and the DCU and, hell, the World of Darkness then what happened in the 'real world'...
Captain America came from the future, but somehow Virgina Dare was also important i loved how the idea of America as a 'savage land' was made literal, with all the dinosaurs from the Savage Land and hehe...yea, Phoniex, though obligatory, was cool |
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yahr! Member  |
The way I think it worked was that Virginia Dare wasn't exactly Snowbird.
She was a mutant, but with not so obvious a power. Think Gateway (Claremount-era uncanny X-Men.) who was basically an aborigine (SP, mildly) who could open up portals between the earth, the world of magic, and beyond. The reason why Cap was protecting her was that she was one of his ways home. Her power just hadn't manifested itself yet. |
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Freelance metaphor inspector Member  |
Anyone getting part deux, even though Neil isn't writing it?
As for 1602, it was good. Not great. Maybe I didn't give it close enough of a read, but I was very disappointed in the end. It was a series that could have gone a few more books to wrap up a bit nicer for my tastes. I did like seeing the new (old?  ) versions of the heroes, that was indeed fun, but when it didn't pay off for me at the end, I was less than excited.~~~~~~~~~~~~~~  I live for three things: The Girls, football, and live jazz. What do you live for? Let passion drive you. |
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is a loose cannon Member  |
The whole from the future is what everyone superpowers. Virginia gained superpowers when she touched it. I think she's supposed to be a mixture of mythological changeling with The Hulk.
I really liked the fact that Count Doom's henchmen were all Vultures and Goblins.  I admittedly geeked out quite a bit over 1602. I thought Reed's speech on the ship concerning the laws of story was probably the most concise, well thought out explaination of how comic books function the way they do that I've seen."You pass through the places, and the places they pass through you, but you carry 'em with you on the soles of your travelin' shoes." --The Be Good Tanyas, "The Littlest Birds" http://hatchingphoenix.livejournal.com www.xanga.com/hatching_phoenix |
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i loved the build-up to the Fantastic Four... and its such a powerful image: 4 elementals, chained beneath Doom's castle
plus, great Thing moment i've always liked the FF (kinda scared to see the new movie) so i'm glad Neil treated them with respect |
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has a beaver that talks Member  |
No, no, for real, Virginia Dare really was just supposed to be Virginia Dare. legend and folktales have the real Virginia Dare being a changeling. Neil was not trying to mix her with someone else, only to take the pre-established story and mix it with his story, as he does so often, and so well.
from http://www.angelfire.com/tn/traderz/virginia.html
That's one account of the legend. Neil just made her change into a number of other things as well. ****************************************** Me in Rock: This Shirt Is Pants | Mr. Fusion Me in blog: izenmania |
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awww... i was kinda hoping she'd be an obscure Marvel character, like how he used really obscure DC characters in Sandman
that Virginia Dare story is COOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOL, though... i can see now Neil wanted to include it, and she had a good relationship with Rogers... just... i dunno. but i guess she can echo with the whole Snowbird thing, or something wait... how would white Steve Rogers be able to pass as Native American? isn't too unlikely, i guess hmm... the comic needed Mr Sinister. i don't know why |
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has a beaver that talks Member |
Was sinister around early enough? Neil deliberately used characters from before 1970, I think.
****************************************** Me in Rock: This Shirt Is Pants | Mr. Fusion Me in blog: izenmania |
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Neil Gaiman www.NeilgaimanBoard.com www.NeilgaimanBoard.com Neil's Other Works more Other Works 1602 from the perspective of a former Marvel Zombie (SPOILERS)
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