Has anyone considered the possibility that this whole thing might've been arranged by Doom? I mean, time travel's well within his grasp, maybe in his research he discovered an alternate reality where he could conquer all of his foes more easily and set up Latveria as a major power base. Think about it: right now, Latveria's a relatively small, unimportant state. High technology, but backward in a lot of ways. If, on the other hand, Latveria controlled all of mainland Europe, it could be the new Rome.

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No tie-in with ASM #500.

Doom behind it all, especially with the events of the end of #3. We'll just have to wait and see!

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So when's #4 out?

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#4 is already out

Of course it is.

My comic book retailer just can't pick up the phone and call me or e-mail me to say it's in Bleh

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I´m from Spain and here #4 is not out yet. Can anybody tell me about it? I´m dying to find out what happens next.

No! You must wait patiently!

Oh, ok, I´ll just wait.

Yesterday night X-men the movie was on Tv and I showed my friends my copies of 1602 #1,#2,#3 and we compared. It was fun.

I read the first issue of 1602, and found it...a little disapointing, because their were sooo many characters shoved in, and that made the story all over the place, and I know who the characters were, so that wasen't the problem. I know that's Neil Gaiman's style, he tends to make stories that are all over the place in the beginning, and then bring it together, but with a million central characters, it was kinda crazy.

To anyone (with a reasonably critical opinion) who has read the next couple issues: are they worth getting? Does the story get really good, or is it going in the same direction as the first issue?

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Hey all, this is the list I've been running for us over at MillarWorld.biz. I haven't had time to go through issue #3 yet, but here's my list. One of the ones few people agree on is the identity of the Assassin #1 that attacked Sir Fury in the first issue, but I'm pretty sure it was The Vanisher.

Sir Nicholas Fury - Nick Fury
Doctor Stephen Strange - Dr. Strange
Old Man - Thor, perhaps Odin? (could just be an old man)
Peter Parquagh - Peter Parker (Spider-Man)
Count Otto "The Handome" Von Doom - Dr. Doom
Matthew "Sir Devil" Murdoch - Matt Murdock (Daredevil)
Clea - Clea
Sister Wanda - Wanda Maximoff (Scarlet Witch)
Petros - Pietro Maximoff (Quicksilver)
Carlos Javier - Professor Charles Xavier (Professor X)
Grand Inquisitor - Magneto
James of Scotland - real person
Rojhaz - Steve Rogers (Captain America)
Virginia Dare - real person
Assassin #1 - Vanisher
Captain Nelson - Foggy Nelson
Scotius Summerisle - Scott Summers (Cyclops)
Robert Trefusis - Bobby Drake (Iceman)
John Grey - Jean Grey
Sir Werner - Warren Worthington III (Angel)
Sir Reed - Reed Richards (Mr. Fantastic)
Master McCoy - Hank McCoy (Beast)
Natasha - Natasha Romanoff (Black Widow)
David (King James' assistant) - ?
Uncle Benjamen - Ben Parker
Assassin #2 - Vulture
Bird Creature - Phoenix?

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Comics Conspiracy
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Virginia in my opinion is Snowbird. I also believe Assassin #1 is Toad and #2 is Banshee. #1 is more of a guess, but #2 is because of the costume. Vulture can't fly without wings, and assassin #2 didn't have wings. He basically had streamers under his arms, which Banshee has had in the past. So if that is the case, it could be a version of the Brotherhood of Mutants formed by the Inquisitor. Also in Issue #4 we are introduced to a couple of new people at Doom's castle. A blonde haired man surrounded by water and someone we don't see who is talented in technology and science. I believe the blonde haired man is Johnny Storm (the Human Torch) and the hidden man is Reed Richards. Could it be that a Doom has finally accomplished his life long ambision and defeated the Fantastic Four, imprisoning them? Interesting.

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I also believe Assassin #1 is Toad and #2 is Banshee. #1 is more of a guess, but #2 is because of the costume. Vulture can't fly without wings, and assassin #2 didn't have wings. He basically had streamers under his arms, which Banshee has had in the past. So if that is the case, it could be a version of the Brotherhood of Mutants formed by the Inquisitor. Also in Issue #4 we are introduced to a couple of new people at Doom's castle. A blonde haired man surrounded by water and someone we don't see who is talented in technology and science. I believe the blonde haired man is Johnny Storm (the Human Torch) and the hidden man is Reed Richards. Could it be that a Doom has finally accomplished his life long ambision and defeated the Fantastic Four, imprisoning them? Interesting.

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Oh definitely. And their 'friend' who was shaking the mountain is Captain Benjamin Grimm So cool he could shake the mountain with his strength. Maybe he'll break through something some day?

I like your theory of mutants for the assassins, but I'm predictably sceptical. Your suggestion of Banshee is very interesting, but two things suggest otherwise to me: the ruffled collar and baldness more strongly suggest Vulture, tho they could just be tricks by Andy Kubert , also did Banshee appear before Gaiman's 196-whatever cutoff date? I think he was intro'd same time as or after Storm, so since she isn't going to be in it, anyone after he couldn't be either.

Banshee first appeard in X-Men #28, before it became Uncanny X-Men. Roughly that would put it around 1965 or so. He also first appeared as a villain to the X-Men.

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Banshee first appeard in X-Men #28, before it became Uncanny X-Men. Roughly that would put it around 1965 or so. He also first appeared as a villain to the X-Men.

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Ahh Very interesting, I'm started to be persuaded to your view now. Seems like the sort of idea Gaiman would like to try

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Virginia in my opinion is Snowbird.

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Virginia Dare is a historical figure. She's a shapeshifter and not part of the X-Men universe.

My problem with it being the true Virginia Dare is that she disappeared with the rest of the Roanoke Colony in 1591. Also, on Banshee vs. Vulture as assassin #2, Vulture needed drugs and technology to fly.

Which Doom could conceivably (albeit with quite a lot of help from his stretchy friend) have given Vulture.

Also, does it need to be entirely historically accurate? Was the true head of the Inquisition really Magneto? And talking to Rohjaz on the boat she didn't seem to be anyone other than from the colonies, and she has talked quite unnecessarily about her father a lot. I think it is Virginia, but she can definitely be an amalgam with a Marvel character

The mystery man(men) is revealed to be the Fantastic Four. Also, their ship was the Fantastick. Another little side note, Neil and Andy Kubert(artist) appear in the comic...sort of. They do a brief introduction on the first page of issue #5. I also believe the Watcher is going to make his presence felt very soon.

Speaking about whether or not it is historically accurate, I'm half Indian, and grew up on the reservation surrounded by other Indians: there just isn't a lot of blond Indians running around now, much less 400 years ago. I'm happy about the list of characters someone left earlier. I don't read a lot of comics and its nice to have something to reference.

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