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From what I recall, Domi, the methods to capture bin Laden back in 2002 were vastly different than those to take him down this time---there were air strikes on the complex where he was believed to be hiding, as opposed to a special ops ground mission. And the special ops unit in the CIA was shut down under W's watch. The Bush administration's doctrine had always been to wield a sledgehammer instead of a scalpel. Which is what saddens me most about the past 10 years.


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*nod* I was thinking more broadly than just the methods of capture themselves, although what you say is true, and just as regrettable. I mean that people are talking as if we wouldn't have gone into Iraq had he already been dead, but I doubt that that alone could have had much of an effect.


An interesting note was raised by Skeptical Humanities about the burial at sea. It means that there's no grave to become a shrine - had they brought the body back to the US, or any other country, THEN wanted to dispose of in a way so as to create no lasting resting place, it would have been extremely difficult.



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OH. My husband just pointed out why they buried him [bin Laden} at sea. Without a body to bury they can't have a shrine. Without a shrine, he can't be a prophet.


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Well I doubt the "nuclear weapons will get into the hands of bin Laden" excuse to invade Iraq would have flown if bin Laden been taken out of the picture, and I truly think that had bin Laden been killed/captured (but let's be honest: he would have been swiftly executed after capture), al Quaeda would have weakened and crumbled as a network lot sooner, again, lessening the conviction that we needed to go into Iraq, or at least stay in Iraq since they were gaining so many recruits as a result of the occupation. The insurgency wouldn't have had a symbol to latch onto to bolster them against the American occupation.

I'm curious what Hooligan would have to say about this.


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"Chives?"�
"Yes, m'lud?"�
"Is that Ms Ephemera hovering over the croquet lawn?"�
"Indeed m'lud. She's marshalled all the haggle-dans. Missy-twigs and vale-nymphs from Claypole Woods. Apparently she intends to tear this house down and dance on the ruins."�
"Well, Chives, you'd better start the car, what? And pack my tennis things too"�
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Well, whether by stupidity or by design, pretty much every intelligence official I've I've ever spoken to/heard from/read thought it was disgraceful how little attention was being spent trying to track down Bin Laden. Of course, the right-wing blogs are already crowing about how none of this would've happened if it weren't for Bush . . .

This whole thing has lead me to a question about what constitutes an assassination and what is just an act of war. Perhaps another thread, if there's interest?


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Of course the other option would be to allow a shrine and let the wahhabists tear each other apart arguing whether shrines are idolatry and call one another apostates for enshrining/not-enshrining bin Laden.

Probably lead to even more unintended consequences than dumping at sea.


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That's pretty fantastic. It wouldn't work if he wasn't doing the pointing thing.


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Once caught, OBL was never going to get something but death penalty. So he was going to end up dead, anyway.

But justice, even if only from a legal viewpoint, can only come from a trial.

Throwing his body to the sea reminds me what they did here to political executed prisoners during Pinochet regime, keeping their families to give them proper burial. If only 'cause of that, I can't approve that way of disposal.

It's sadly amazing to see people celebrating it, but what else could they do? They actively wished for his death, and they got their wish granted.

I'd be amazed if Obama isn't re-elected, now (though the fact that some people give credit to Bush Jr. for this makes me question it).

Personally, I think at this point his death is unimportant. Let's pray nobody tries to avenge him.



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quote:
Originally posted by Melancolí­a: Hunter Writer:
Once caught, OBL was never going to get something but death penalty. So he was going to end up dead, anyway.

But justice, even if only from a legal viewpoint, can only come from a trial.

Throwing his body to the sea reminds me what they did here to political executed prisoners during Pinochet regime, keeping their families to give them proper burial. If only 'cause of that, I can't approve that way of disposal.

It's sadly amazing to see people celebrating it, but what else could they do? They actively wished for his death, and they got their wish granted.

I'd be amazed if Obama isn't re-elected, now (though the fact that some people give credit to Bush Jr. for this makes me question it).

Personally, I think at this point his death is unimportant. Let's pray nobody tries to avenge him.


Someone will possibly try.. it the nature of such things.. if they attack soon, in anger, they will fall.. anger causes one to make mistakes, become careless.. if they let it simmer and plan, it will be very bad for us...

not everyone is celebrating.. it is actually a "blah" issue for me.. I'm pnly concerned of the consequenses..

As for Obama being re-elected, I would be very surprised if he was.. I pretty much saw that he was going to be a single-termer as soon as he was elected....


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I doubt the death of bin Laden will play much into anyone's political campaign. The US is way too embroiled in domestic issues right now and the rhetoric is so rigidly partisan that the Right has somehow turned this into a victory for the Bush administration and refuses to give any credit to Obama's leadership.
The 2012 election will be about the economy, health care, the national deficit and energy costs...the only way I see bin Laden's death having any impact on the campaign will be the fact that the price of oil immediately dropped upon the news of bin Laden's death...I have a feeling that it's temporary, though.


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"Chives?"�
"Yes, m'lud?"�
"Is that Ms Ephemera hovering over the croquet lawn?"�
"Indeed m'lud. She's marshalled all the haggle-dans. Missy-twigs and vale-nymphs from Claypole Woods. Apparently she intends to tear this house down and dance on the ruins."�
"Well, Chives, you'd better start the car, what? And pack my tennis things too"�
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Dr. Jack Kevorkian.

He died peacefully, which, I suppose, is what he was fighting to let all of us do.


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"Is that Ms Ephemera hovering over the croquet lawn?"�
"Indeed m'lud. She's marshalled all the haggle-dans. Missy-twigs and vale-nymphs from Claypole Woods. Apparently she intends to tear this house down and dance on the ruins."�
"Well, Chives, you'd better start the car, what? And pack my tennis things too"�
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