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I hope you're right. Because it really isn't looking good for McCain.  ---------------------------- "How do you get from here to the rest of the world?" |
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2008 Poster of the Year! Member  |
*crosses fingers*
I am seriously so nervous about this election! I want to hibernate until it's over. Maybe wake up for driving lessons because I really want to pass so I don't have to shell out £34 a week, and also wake up for Halloween, but all the rest of it with the sleeping until it's over. I mean, I can understand someone being Republican, I guess, becuase America's all different and more RW anyway, but I can't understand how anyone can want those two to lead their country. Espeically in a presidential system! It's all crazy and I want to SLEEP THROUGH IT! *stresses* ____________________________________________________ tiny ball of rage. hilarious, condensed rage - Snazz I never really lost my virginity... it just sort of eventually wore off - Chris Addison Um... I'm thinking that a lot of my internal conflict and malaise comes from the tension between the life I ACTUALLY want to live, and the stories I'd love to be able to tell? - T-Rex, qwantz.com |
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Nepotism, in the part I explained earlier in this thread or the second debate involving an actress\model that was on a talk show and stated that her mother is an electoral voter who ahd her name inserted in the election process. Now she is an electoral voter. This is not an all inclusive backing by far but it raises an eyebrow. I don't care what her background is because her front burners aren't political. Hatemongers, people who are not dying off fast enough in the world. These people will choose their peers that most resemble themselves. This is not a crime it happens everyday on playgrounds at the office, everywhere at all ages. It is only menacing when these people seek to strengthen themselves and more importantly their views. Do you want a known bigot to supervise your school system? How about one that only expresses his views around the dinner table or with their cronies? Hatemongers are easily defined to the oppressed, what is your definition? I bring up hatemonger because as it may be very difficult for them to be elected to the role of president, it is pretty easy for them to be elected to the electoral college. Which brings us to 'woe is the day', which to me is a catch-22( great movie).Either way the election pans out a wedge will be inserted. The whole idea of voting for someone because they're not the other person is not front page news. But in these election we will see it up close and personal(to americans). Some surveys saw that people would vote for B.O. over Hillary Clinton because she was a women and to add insult to injury because well she IS Hillary Clinton. The same could be said in reverse. I think we should call it the 'CLINTON EFFECT'.Hell, someone will eventually. Then it will appear in these threads as an all true study that will explain the future elections. Socialism is not evil, but in american politics it has been frowned against. That same evil is in a small way being implemented to save the world's economy. You could argue that to save the world's economy problem a form of socialism is being used. I don't give a rat's ass(very funny expression) on english compostion. So if that is a deal breaker to any of you, I will have to make do without your involvement. I say this from the saddle of a short horse looking up to the high horse riders. Condesending behavoir is a trait that easily reveals one character. |
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I've purposely been trying to stay out of these threads this time, but I'll answer briefly. As far as Republicans go, McCain really isn't the ideal. He actually does represent a much more centerist view (by US standards). He has some things where he is very much in line with the republican standard, but then other things go against the party's standards. Most tried and true conservatives I know actually see him as the lesser of 2 evils. As far as the presidential system as a whole goes, I think people put too much faith in it. People tend to think of the president much like a king or somthing. Like he's the only guy running the show. I think congress has much more power in the grand scheme. And the supreme court probably has the most power, considering how laws are merely "suggestions" and ultimatly court rulings are what sets precident. So even if the guy you dont want wins, that alone wont be the end of the world. Honestly, if Obama could actually complete most of the things he says he's going to do, then I'd consider voting for him. But I dont think he can do any of it. ---------------------------- "How do you get from here to the rest of the world?" |
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I don't have a problem with McCain winning. I have a problem with McCain winning, then dying, and Palin becoming President. THAT'S what scares me, her with her national ban on gay marriage. I may not agree with McCain on everything, but I at least I can see evidence that he's not looking to push his personal beliefs on the entire country. |
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Thank you Munk. LFT, do NOT call me Bee. That's reserved for friends. I don't particularly care for the electoral college myself, but I have been involved in caucus/party platform building both at the local and state levels, and with both major parties (what can I say- I was young, my family were Republicans  )...which, by the way anyone can do. Those involved with that can go to the state convention, and here the state partyconvention is where the Electors get chosen here....and while you DO have to be involved in the state party it isn't "shady".Please stop sounding like a hysterical adolescent. My son is a teenager, and he is far more reasoned in his arguments and discussions than you are. Oh, and he's learned that I -will- ask for supporting information- just so he's paying attention. This message has been edited. Last edited by: BeeZee, ______________________ Fandangling across the moony sky, went the Beezee bold as brass, side-saddle she sat, on a big painted bat, shooting moonbeams out of her a(censored)e. ~Joe ________________________ Isn't sanity really just a one trick pony, anyway? I mean, all you get is one trick, rational thinking! But when you're good and crazy¦ooh ooh ooh the sky's the limit! |
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I'm the full moon on your quiet night. Member  |
Sources, please: what show, who did the interview, do you have a link to a website? or the name of a print source? we have no way of evaluating what you've said without these things. surely you don't want us to just trust your opinion?
i don't doubt you, but this is just because this election cycle has proven to me that it's pretty easy for bigots to do just about whatever they want, and most people won't notice or care, presuming they even recognise the bigotry for what it is. but without the references i asked for earlier, i still have no way of evaluating your claims.
it was originally a book.
i'm positive no one is using any study to "explain elections" - particularly ones that haven't happened yet. in fact, i'm pretty sure someone mentioned that there has been no further evidence to support the phenomenon, which suggests it might have been an isolated event. i still have no idea where you're going with this.
i don't give a shit about "english compostion" on message boards either, and i'm inclined to read past typos and the odd misspelled word. i myself tend not to capitalise words except for expressive effect. hell, we have more than a few posters for whom emglish isn't their first language, and i engage with them, too. i draw the line when i can't understand the point that you're trying to make, or when you make broad, sweeping, and unsupported claims. i also draw the line when a newcomer starts snotting at someone i've known for a ling time, and who has been a member of this community for a long time. i'm not the only one. respect your fellow posters, please. ____________________________ Have pity for the minimalists...  "She's too clever by half," said Dr Fruitbowl. "Lets remove half her brain then" replied Igor, feeling rather pleased with himself. "Ah, but what if we take out the wrong half, and she finds out, kicks the schmutz out of us and puts the two halves back together and then REALLY kicks the schmutz out of us?" countered the Dr, "It would be safer to move the whole operation to Costa Rica, get on the net and find a cheap flight" |
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Thank you And yes, there is a difference. LFT, i will ask you respectfully if you would clarify your claims of nepotism. ~You are a *Taverner*. Sometimes patrons want to go where everybody knows their names, though it helps when half of them are named John. When people want to celebrate, or commiserate, they gather to your establishment. You provide the atmosphere, the warmth, rum, and even an ear to bend. Did I mention the rum? Years before the language will be mangled with terms like facilitator and networking and interpersonal communication, you've overseen it all, and broken up a few bar fights, to boot.~ -Royko |
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Exactly. President Palin. Say it. Say it a few times. Mull it around a bit, roll it around on your tongue, close your eyes and let it float around in your mind a bit. President Palin. I may not like the tactics McCain has employed (or the extreme conservative establishment, if not wholly embraced by McCain himself) in this campaign, and there are certainly ideological differences, but there was something I liked about him years ago, and perhaps that's still ingrained somewhere. But - President Palin. No, she's not running for President, but she could become President, and will have an effect on policy, especially ... President Palin. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~  I live for three things: The Girls, football, and live jazz. What do you live for? Let passion drive you. |
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It is worth noting that in those elections where electoral members have not followed their candidates, the electoral college members already knew their votes would not affect the final election tally - because, as with the rest of America, they knew the electoral tally based on the general election.
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I'm the full moon on your quiet night. Member |
no thanks needed. treating your fellow humans with respect is a minimum requirement in my books. btw - glad my blog post helped. and i think it's totally hilarious that i wrote "emglish." D'OH! ____________________________ Have pity for the minimalists... "She's too clever by half," said Dr Fruitbowl. "Lets remove half her brain then" replied Igor, feeling rather pleased with himself. "Ah, but what if we take out the wrong half, and she finds out, kicks the schmutz out of us and puts the two halves back together and then REALLY kicks the schmutz out of us?" countered the Dr, "It would be safer to move the whole operation to Costa Rica, get on the net and find a cheap flight" |
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Isn't this another reason why the next president is so likely to have a long lasting impact - he'll probably have to appoint at least one, maybe even two new Justices? ------------------------------------------------- Sorry, but you are looking for something that isn't here. |
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No, that was the LAST president. Bush Jr. has already stacked the court. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Discordian Priestess, Keeper of the Golden Pine-Apple. Jesus was a community organizer.  blog or not |
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Yeah, I remember that. But looking at the list of current Justices, some of them aren't exactly spring chicken anymore either, right? Are you saying that whoever will be appointed to replace the next ones to, uh, drop out won't make a difference anymore? I have honestly no idea what the ideological composition (for want of a better word) of your supreme court is right now. ------------------------------------------------- Sorry, but you are looking for something that isn't here. |
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Part-time avant garde shrubbery inspector who breaths fire and lets out a mighty YAHR! Member |
Tis, my last comment was a coming out from deep seated bitterness. Our current Supreme Court seems to lean more to the right. As for the new appointments, a lot of it will have to do with who has control of the Senate, because once the President nominates someone, they have to go in front of an approval committee. They can deny appointments until one is found to be suitable.
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But the thing that gets me, is that McCain either chose Palin, or allowed other people to choose her for him. Either way, the fact that she's been allowed into this position shows very poor judgement on his part. ____________________________________________________ tiny ball of rage. hilarious, condensed rage - Snazz I never really lost my virginity... it just sort of eventually wore off - Chris Addison Um... I'm thinking that a lot of my internal conflict and malaise comes from the tension between the life I ACTUALLY want to live, and the stories I'd love to be able to tell? - T-Rex, qwantz.com |
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The courts, that's a big one. Our present court has three fairly moderate judges, four hard right ones and two who are mostly rightwing but (very) occasionally vote moderately. The oldest three are the moderate judges who have most likely wished to retire for a long time but have been waiting, hoping, for a reasonable president to replace our current disaster (editorialize much, 'primate?)
So a McCain/Palin administration would likely finally, fully stack the court far, far to the right for an entire generation. But just as important are the federal appellate courts. It's largely from this system that the supreme court choses which cases it will hear, and most cases obviously don't make it out of the appellate system to the supreme court. With a couple of notable exceptions (e.g., the 9th), the appellate court system has suffered the same disaster of under-qualified, ideologically appointed judges as Bush the Younger's supreme court nominations. McCain/Palin would get to finish the job. An Obama/Biden administration would not be able to replace these sitting judges, but it would at least begin to undo the damage. And make no mistake - most of these rightwing judges have done great damage to the rule of law, deferring their duty in favor of what are essentially the political concerns of the current administration. This they masquerade as some kind of "original intent" ideology. And this twisted doctrine - something similar to a judicial version of Christian Fundamentalism, is exactly what has informed so many hideous appellate and supreme court decisions, for just as Christian Fundamentalists pick and choose which parts of the Bible to take literally to serve their sick theology, Original Intent justices do the same with the Constitution. Both types of Fundamentalism willfully ignore the effect their decisions have on people's real lives, casting aside actual moral arbitration in favor of protecting the primacy of their style of arbitration itself. Um, not that I have any strong feelings about this or anything. I'll just get back to work now.... ------------------------------------- This space left intentionally blank |
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*applauds Primate*
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Discordian Priestess, Keeper of the Golden Pine-Apple. Jesus was a community organizer. blog or not |
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