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Weirdy American Tart Thing
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Oh Dweller I adore your son!I would very much love to have a conversation with him, but I fear I'd have to take notes or I might not be able to keep up. Smile

I always told Dev that the Tooth Fairy was a fun story and just give him money. I just dislike lying to him, mostly because I'm no good at it. Smile


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Conversation in the car this morning, after I told the boys that ninjas don't actually where black pyjamas.

Graeme's Best Friend: Yeah, that's true. The Injure Turtles don't wear black pjs.
Graeme: Yeah, but they have shells, and . . . wait, did you just call them "Injure Turtles?"
GBF: Yep. They call 'em "injure turtles" because they're always injuring people.
Graeme (solemnly intoning): And that is why you fail.
(pause)
GBF: What?


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*sniggers* i really want to meet your boys, Jim. they are seriously awesome.


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So, we're raising an empiricist.

Today, on the way to school Graeme's best friend said that he was going to run faster than Graeme because he was wearing his "fast shoes." Graeme told him that shoes don't make you run faster, and his friends said that they do. Graeme then said that the only way to be sure would be to get someone else who fit the shoes and have them run twice - once with the shoes on, once with the shoes off. If the person ran faster with the shoes on, then the shoes do make you run faster. His friend looked at him and blinked, then said, "These are my fast shoes, Graeme."

This does have a dark side - Graeme lost his first tooth, but won't put it under his pillow because the Tooth Fairy doesn't exist.


i don't see how that is necessarily a dark side!


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I'd expected you to respond thus, Darth SP. For me, childhood is the one time when fantasy and imagination are perfectly sensible reactions to the world around. An adult who believes in unicorns is not to be trusted, but a child who doesn't believe in them, or at least is incapable of getting into a mindset where they can pretend to believe in them, is diminished in some way.


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Just because he doesn't believe in traditional childish beliefs, does not dimish his capacity for imagination, though.

I never believed in any of them either. No santa, easter bunny, tooth fairy. I did however write stories about aliens invading my school and my classmates and I fighting them off.

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For me, childhood is the one time when fantasy and imagination are perfectly sensible reactions to the world around. An adult who believes in unicorns is not to be trusted, but a child who doesn't believe in them, or at least is incapable of getting into a mindset where they can pretend to believe in them, is diminished in some way.

I sometimes wonder how many kids just pretend to believe in things like the tooth fairy because they don't want to disappoint their parents, though. When we were kids we always had to leave the living room on Christmas Eve & go & look out the window to look for the star that Baby Jesus would swing by on. My father was lighting the candles during that time & when he rang the bell, Jesus had been by & dropped off prezzies. I'm not sure any of us ever really believed that, but my mum would have been quite heartbroken if we'd admitted that.

Not to say I didn't enjoy pretending!


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Y'know, I think you guys are probably right. Ultimately, the Tooth Fairy thing is basically saying, "Pretend you believe this and we'll give you stuff." It's conditioning for belief without reason, which is very, very dangerous. If he wants to believe, then fine, but I won't force the issue at all.

Thanks.


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My husband and I do not force the kids to believe in the Tooth Fairy or Santa Claus. However, they are both still young and very innocent about the whole thing.

So while daecon and I were at Dragon*Con, Simon's tooth came out. He did not tell our roommate or grandmother that this had happened, just put it under his pillow in the special 'toothfairy' pillow my mother in law made.

daecon went home sunday night as he was exhausted and Simon came up to him looking very concerned and explained what had happened, then said 'Will you open a window so the tooth fairy can get in?'

When daecon told me about this later I thought my heart would melt!


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My parents cut out the middleman and gave me money for every milk tooth I lost.


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Kidlet has a very active imagination, and is constantly taking about what it is like (and how he is) on "his planet", and so on and so forth. But ever since he's been small, whenever he's asked "do unicorns/ghosts/whatever exist?", I've generally answered "they do in stories, and stories are very important, but as far as we know they don't exist outside stories". It doesn't appear to have hampered his belief in the supernatural at all, and we've had the "sufficiently advanced tech is indistinguishable from magic" and "just because you don't have an explanation for something does not mean an explanation does not exist" talks a number of times.

Also, I take him to Quaker meeting most weeks, and he does the Hindu and Buddhist festivals with his grandmother and grandfather, but I also talk to him about how his godfather is a militant atheist - who argues about religion all the time with his Muslim husband. (I think it helps on the Quaker front in that I was present at an impromptu discussion last week where a member was positing that it wasn't necessary to believe in god to be a Quaker, and another was asserting that it was essential. The discussion drew to an amicable close when another person pointed out that one of the questions asked of people applying for Quaker membership is whether they are on a spiritual journey, not whether they have reached a destination.)


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I haven't encountered Quakers in the real world, but everything I've read about them is pretty cool.

And so is Kidlet! Dev often goes on about 'on my planet' and I thought it was just him!


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Funny how your kids have planets. Mine just have faraway lands. With languages. They've tried to teach me the vocabulary sometimes. (The kids are bilingual, as are many of their friends, so I guess it's not surprising it's a feature of their imaginary worlds as well.)

When my oldest was small, she was really scared of an invisible witch hiding somewhere in our house, and I dealt with that by telling her invisible people don't exist. And from that, she quickly deduced that God or Tooth Fairy don't exist either. (The Dutch Santa, Sinterklaas, seems to be different, I guess because she sees him arrive at the harbour every December.) But she also decided - on her own - that she wouldn't tell other kids, because they'd be so disappointed to know their parents had lied to them about the coin under their pillow...


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that's really sweet, tis. my sister and i were never taught to believe that santa (or the easter bunny or the tooth fairy) were real, but we did talk about them as though they were fictional characters, like bugs bunny. (i'm not sure how we knew the difference, really, but my mom has always maintained that she just didn't tell us that they were real, and we separated "real" from "fiction" on our own.) but the trouble was that my sister didn't take to the whole concept of tact very well (although she's getting good at it these days) and was likely to blurt out to poor, unsuspecting beguiled children that santa wasn't real. very awkward. Smile


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I suspected Santa wasn't real from about age 6 on but didn't really know for sure until a couple of years later, when I walked in on Dad putting my bicycle together in the livingroom because I couldn't sleep.

I can't wait until my roommate's daughter is old enough to explain her imaginary worlds. (At 2 1/2, she's just getting on with the full sentences).


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I look forward to visiting those imaginary worlds with the kids! Sounds like GOLDMINES worth of illustration ideas out there! (I hope the inhabitants speaka my language!)

Whaddya mean Santa isn't REAL?!!! ((New Daddy Alert!!))
 
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Kids are very, very inspiring. It's kind of frightening, really, how they change your way of seeing the world in a very small amount of time, without you even realizing it.


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Truly amazing changes are already taking place over here, and he can't even talk yet!
(Down the Rabbit hole we go!!)
 
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If you find a way to articulate, please pass it on. It's something JP ('nother poster, don't know if you've met) and I have talked about before and it's hard to put into words and seems to be different for everybody.


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Summary of a conversation in the car today, between Graeme and his best friend (who's a little fascinated with violence ever since he watched the entire Star Wars trilogy in one day):

BF: My Webkinz (stuffed animals that give you access to a website with games and stuff) could totally destroy your Webkinz.
Graeme: My Webkinz is a snake. Yours is a frog. Frogs eat snakes.
BF: Well, my panda would punch your snake in the face.
Graeme: And my snake would bite him and his venom is as poisonous as a king cobra's.
BF: My chipmunk . . . (pause) my moose would stomp on your snake.
Graeme: My snake has a jetpack so he's really, really fast. Your moose would miss.
BF: But not with his antler-lasers.
Graeme: Where do you get antler-lasers?
BF: Same place you get snake jetpacks.
Graeme: Ah, good point.


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