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Has no front teeth Member  |
I know more about politics in Mexico because I discuss it at work with people from Mexico. I don't have much day-to-day contact with Canadians (y'all like where you live and don't move here
 ) and I have a hard enough time keeping up with my own local politics- which affect me every day- much less the other 49 states of the U.S.SO sorry Liz, Canadian politics falls down there a bit as something to learn about in my free time. That's why I'm asking. ______________________ Fandangling across the moony sky, went the Beezee bold as brass, side-saddle she sat, on a big painted bat, shooting moonbeams out of her a(censored)e. ~Joe ________________________ Isn't sanity really just a one trick pony, anyway? I mean, all you get is one trick, rational thinking! But when you're good and crazy¦ooh ooh ooh the sky's the limit! |
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is part of the international oatmeal conspiracy Member  |
i think it should be taught in school. but thats another debate.
being an informed citizen is getting harder i know. High Ranking Official of the Realm of Unproductivity and Procrastination, Dean of the UUP, First Class member of the order of the Pineapple. scruffy ambulating reanimated hypothetical vegetarian leigonairre of the undead. ~ Cav Look, I've got a cape and a tendency towards violence. It does not make me a superhero! ~ Domitella |
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Has no front teeth Member |
*shrugs*
I don't think schools get in-depth enough about a lot of things. I knew you were part of the Commonwealth ie: a constitutional monarchy with the Queen as head of state, but everything I was reading said Harper dissolved Parliment and I was wondering about how that happens. ______________________ Fandangling across the moony sky, went the Beezee bold as brass, side-saddle she sat, on a big painted bat, shooting moonbeams out of her a(censored)e. ~Joe ________________________ Isn't sanity really just a one trick pony, anyway? I mean, all you get is one trick, rational thinking! But when you're good and crazy¦ooh ooh ooh the sky's the limit! |
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is part of the international oatmeal conspiracy Member |
its weird though, 'cause its not like a new thing. this happens every time we go to general election. its just a wee different in that he did it earlier than usual.
High Ranking Official of the Realm of Unproductivity and Procrastination, Dean of the UUP, First Class member of the order of the Pineapple. scruffy ambulating reanimated hypothetical vegetarian leigonairre of the undead. ~ Cav Look, I've got a cape and a tendency towards violence. It does not make me a superhero! ~ Domitella |
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Yahr! Member  |
Liz, how well would you say a U.S would have to know the intricacies of Canadian politics in order to be considered "an informed citizen?"
Because as I see it, they don't have to know it very well at all in order to assess the performance of elected officials and their proposed policies. ~ Gal-El You don't have to be a basketball player, you can be the president of the United States. ~ LeBron James. |
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is part of the international oatmeal conspiracy Member |
its probably just also weird because of the difference in how our goverments run/set up.
we don't elect a prime minister. our prime minister becomes prime minister when in a general election - their party gets the most votes. the head of the party becomes prime minister. its more party vs person really. although, most people generally vote strategically for a party than for their own individual representative - and that party is represented by the leader of that party. and since its a party thats in goverment - rather than person with the president, its more easy to dissolve parliament than say, congress. harper still has to ask to dissolve parliament, but it is still his perogative to do so. simplified version of things. High Ranking Official of the Realm of Unproductivity and Procrastination, Dean of the UUP, First Class member of the order of the Pineapple. scruffy ambulating reanimated hypothetical vegetarian leigonairre of the undead. ~ Cav Look, I've got a cape and a tendency towards violence. It does not make me a superhero! ~ Domitella |
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rodentia extraordinarinus Member  |
I don't understand what you mean there, Pigeon. Who's elected officials?
____________________________________________________ tiny ball of rage. hilarious, condensed rage - Snazz I never really lost my virginity... it just sort of eventually wore off - Chris Addison Um... I'm thinking that a lot of my internal conflict and malaise comes from the tension between the life I ACTUALLY want to live, and the stories I'd love to be able to tell? - T-Rex, qwantz.com |
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Yahr! Member |
Their own. I just don't see why Liz thinks that knowing how Canada works is so crucial for Americans. ~ Gal-El You don't have to be a basketball player, you can be the president of the United States. ~ LeBron James. |
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is part of the international oatmeal conspiracy Member |
i think they have to know basics. how our government is set up, trade levels, treaties etc. I'm thinking recently of NAFTA and how utterly fucked over Canada is on some of the issues (Mexico as well). I don't think people know the ins and outs of it and yet it is a staple of north american trade. there have been serious concerns in Canada and Mexico about the validity of it anymore. For example: soft wood lumber: the US stated to charge duties on the imports from Canada (to the tune of 5bn dollars worth) which was illegal under the treaty, proved in world courts and the US suprme court. now, other than fucking over and pissing off your neighbor, how does this apply to a US context? well, the US agreed to pay back I think 4bn dollars (this was all in negotiation, when I last read about it so I'm not sure if it has been settled). who is going to pay for this? how is affecting lumber in the US? how is going to continue to affect it? (loss of jobs? mills shut down - Chad has some views on this issue as it affects him). lumber will affect costs of housing supplies etc. and this is just one example of a recent issue from one section of one treaty. it does have its ramifications. if people in a region, or generally, complain about basic prices of commodities they have to look at how they get those commodities to be able to check whether their representative is talking bollocks or not. if they say 'we'll reduce the cost of X' how are they going to do that, what constraints from international treaties and trade agreements are they going to have to overcome? if they don't have a plausible, than they are just talking shit. and if you elect them, expect that kind of return when they are in office. if they talk of taking apart things like NAFTA or other treaties arranged at a federal level - they are full of it. nothing will change and you will be screwed over for another four years. High Ranking Official of the Realm of Unproductivity and Procrastination, Dean of the UUP, First Class member of the order of the Pineapple. scruffy ambulating reanimated hypothetical vegetarian leigonairre of the undead. ~ Cav Look, I've got a cape and a tendency towards violence. It does not make me a superhero! ~ Domitella |
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Yahr! Member |
Fair enough, but how does any of that relate to the fact that Canada is a constitutional Monarchy? Would charging duties on the lumber imports been any more legal if Canada had been a republic? U.S citizens need to be aware of what the U.S government is doing, that I can agree with, but that doesn't amount to a necessity for teaching about the Canadian government structure in schools. ~ Gal-El You don't have to be a basketball player, you can be the president of the United States. ~ LeBron James. |
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is part of the international oatmeal conspiracy Member |
because the structure of government often dictates how policies and treaties/agreements are made. and if you are linked to that country on multiple levels, it makes sense to understand how they function.
High Ranking Official of the Realm of Unproductivity and Procrastination, Dean of the UUP, First Class member of the order of the Pineapple. scruffy ambulating reanimated hypothetical vegetarian leigonairre of the undead. ~ Cav Look, I've got a cape and a tendency towards violence. It does not make me a superhero! ~ Domitella |
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Yahr! Member |
I'm sorry, but I don't understand your point. Would violating a treaty been any more legal if it had been signed with Cuba? If a given U.S citizen is familiar with a treaty, aware of how closely (or not) the U.S government followed it, and cognizant of the consequences as far as the U.S is concerned, how would knowing the basics of Canadian government affect their ability judge the actions of their own officials? ~ Gal-El You don't have to be a basketball player, you can be the president of the United States. ~ LeBron James. |
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is part of the international oatmeal conspiracy Member |
again, it comes from ability to judge change.
if you don't understand how the processs works on both sides, you won't know if whatever your representative proposes is feasible. example: say State X wants to negotiate something with Province Y. If what they are proposing falls under federal instead of provincial juridiction than you know nothing can come of it. High Ranking Official of the Realm of Unproductivity and Procrastination, Dean of the UUP, First Class member of the order of the Pineapple. scruffy ambulating reanimated hypothetical vegetarian leigonairre of the undead. ~ Cav Look, I've got a cape and a tendency towards violence. It does not make me a superhero! ~ Domitella |
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the colours . . . the colours Member  |
That is true for schools in most countries. For example, my gran believes British schools should teach more Irish history. I'm inclined to agree with her, because without this context how are we supposed to judge how the two countries deals with each other today? Also,in the UK, we have a national curriculum, which can create problems. My year in particular (people born 1981-1982), had the compulsory history syllabus changed on us many times, without any attention paid to what we had already studied. For example, I studied the Tudors four times, but I was never taught about WWII. Which is a fairly big topic to miss out on... Obviously, I'm interested in it anyway and I've found information out for myself. But how many people my age either have n't bothered to do this or have n't found the time? *** "objective evidence & certitude are doubtless very fine ideals to play with, but where on this moonlit & dream-visited planet are they found?" William James |
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Sittin' at the dock of the Bayeaux Tapestry Member  |
Yes, it's a problem all countries have. I for one know next to nothing about the processes involved in French or Irish governmental decisionmaking, but I know my country's interests are inextricably mixed up with both countries. but I've made up for it in other areas, I like to think.
 "The other night I dreamed that King George VI was dead, and that Helen Hardinge had somehow or other got herself proclaimed Queen of England, and that I was detailed to go and tell her that it wouldn't do at all; and when I did this, all she said was, 'You see, I am really Queen Mary,' and I said, 'Oh very well' - words to that effect, and woke up. Last night I dreamed that Eisenhower came to stay with us, and he insisted on being put to sleep in the dog kennel, with a collar and chain about his neck." - Sir Alan Lascelles, 19 February 1980 |
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Did something right Member  |
Potterpedia blocked.
---------------------------------------------------------- "It really is fun to to stick burning objects into various orifices." "Sorry I haven't been around much, but I am easily distracted by shiny objects." "WEIRD! WEIRDY-WEIRDO-WEIRD! WEIRDOPOTTAMUS WEIRDOSAUR! HIM! YOU! WEIRD!"-Mr. Furious |
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Did something right Member |
Gnngnggnnng.
---------------------------------------------------------- "It really is fun to to stick burning objects into various orifices." "Sorry I haven't been around much, but I am easily distracted by shiny objects." "WEIRD! WEIRDY-WEIRDO-WEIRD! WEIRDOPOTTAMUS WEIRDOSAUR! HIM! YOU! WEIRD!"-Mr. Furious |
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There's been a lot of talk about how bill C-16 (the changes to the elections act) makes Harper'
s dissolutuion request for parliament illegal. Because in the new bill the election dates are fixed and the government can only be overthrown with a non-confidence vote. Choosing to ask for it to be disolved early would be a no-no. Anyone know any more about this? I suppose I should just go and read the act to see if it says anything specifically about asking the GG to disolve parliament. --------------------- Good Dreams don't come cheap, you have to pay for them. |
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Sittin' at the dock of the Bayeaux Tapestry Member |
Bill C-16 is a bloody stupid Bill!
Fixed elections do not work in parliamentary constitutions! "The other night I dreamed that King George VI was dead, and that Helen Hardinge had somehow or other got herself proclaimed Queen of England, and that I was detailed to go and tell her that it wouldn't do at all; and when I did this, all she said was, 'You see, I am really Queen Mary,' and I said, 'Oh very well' - words to that effect, and woke up. Last night I dreamed that Eisenhower came to stay with us, and he insisted on being put to sleep in the dog kennel, with a collar and chain about his neck." - Sir Alan Lascelles, 19 February 1980 |
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mutant hedgehog worm Member  |
Just in relation too Gal/Sillypunks converstaion
I think in general more people should be aware of their countries foreign polocy and the reasons behind it Eg: USA has a history of not going through with various trade agreements, environmental agreements, fees for international bodies etc. This is something that the citizens should know about and try to change via elected officials. As Liz said. Another example is visa requirements, Canadians for example are totally screwed with a $90 USD charge for a visa into turkey, due to their own visa policy for turkey etc. People should know why this is etc Meh anyway I agree with Liz it does have implications in government and elected professionals and whether you can believe certain of their campaign promises  |
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