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badger, yahr, badger, escher
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After watching the TED talk, an idea is germinating that I really really wish I had the resources to make happen. As a new mom, and a stay at home mom, my biggest challenge is trying to Get Shit Done. My inability to see a project through is a source of anxiety and depression...I feel guilty for not living in the moment with my son because in the back of my mind as I'm feeding him or playing with him, there's a load of laundry that needs folding or a meal that needs prepping or a shower that has been calling me but i cant take until nap time. And I got to thinking about the housewives of yesteryear and how they balanced child rearing and homemaking and I realized...DUH. THEY HAD HELP. If they could afford it, they had maids come in a couple times a week (or every day) to tidy up. If they couldn't, they lived near their mothers and sisters or had fellow housewife neighbors to come over and hold the baby while they did housework. (ETA: I realize that baby wearing can help keep hands free for some chores but I have yet to discover a safe way to wear my baby while doing dishes or cooking especially now that he's getting grabby) Well, nowadays maid services are luxuries for single income households and over half of new parents live far away from relatives. So that leaves neighbors. My idea is to form a new mom care co-op. its like a childcare swap but instead of dropping off the kiddo at someone's house, (which is something most moms of newborns wouldn't feel comfortable doing) a co-op member comes to your house a couple times a week (with their baby in tow) and keeps you company and acts as a second pair of hands while you get stuff done. Instead of payment, you just trade off and agree to help another member of the co-op. Is this a crazy idea or am I onto something? If I'm onto something, how do I make this happen?

One of the bits of advice that's always given to new moms is to let friends and family do the housework while you focus on the baby...well other than Crow Girl flying in from Germany and staying with us for the first 2 weeks home from the hospital, not a single friend or relative who visited offered to do anything other than cuddle the baby. I didn't ask them to do anything because saying "while you're here, do you think you can put a load of whites in the washer?" just seems a bit rude to ask of a guest. But if you've entered into an agreement that the purpose of a visit is to help a new mom around the house while she works on her breastfeeding relationship with her baby, or to keep a teething baby cuddled and content while she gets a desperately needed nap...that just takes the pressure off. I dunno...I guess I'm saying I wish that moms would come together more than just baby-comparing at play groups.


That sounds like an AWESOME idea, and one I would love to use as well!

The first thing that came to mind reading your idea, though I don't know for sure how well it might work, is perhaps seeing if some kind of existing parent support organization, such as this "Moms Club"*, could be adapted for your idea. By that I mean, either approaching a group near you if you can find one and offering your idea to see if they'd like to do it, or making your own "franchise" with your idea in mind.

*(I don't know anything about that organization beyond what I saw on their website. I only just learned there's one near me and I am debating checking them out. It's such a relief to see one that (I think) is not church-based!!)

Edit to add: You could also try checking Meetup.com for existing groups in your area that you could pitch your idea to.




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Alaura, I think your co-op idea sounds brilliant, if you have lots of new mothers in your neighbourhood.

As to the crib... Oh, this is going to require a bit of a backstory, and I'm sure you guys will be weirded out anyway. But the majority of Finnish babies spend their first couple of months seeping in a (geez I can just feel the look you're going to give me now) cardboard box.

No really, it's not as bad as you think. See, when a resident of Finland is expecting a baby, the state sends them a free so called maternity package a month or two before the due date. It's this big, sturdy box full of all kinds of useful stuff for the baby. (I think it's worth about 150-200€, but you can just opt for a bit less in cash if you don't want the goodies.) And the box also comes with a fitted mattrass so that the baby can sleep in it for the first few months. The parents usually add some upholstering to make it look nicer.

Just wanted to share this bit of Nordic baby rearing exotica with you guys. Smile


That is so awesome! I bet Finland is also one of the countries that provides better maternity leave too? I should've moved there before I got pregnant! Razz




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BTW, Christy and I decided early on as a couple that if we visited friends with babies, particularly a first-born, we would not leave without performing some small task. When we drop off a meal, Christy stays and chats with the mom while I go wash dishes or get the food out on plates or pick up a room.


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Tis, that is hilarious! All we get is a knapsack.


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BTW, Christy and I decided early on as a couple that if we visited friends with babies, particularly a first-born, we would not leave without performing some small task. When we drop off a meal, Christy stays and chats with the mom while I go wash dishes or get the food out on plates or pick up a room.

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My doula friend/Lamaze instructor actually has a letter that she prints out for friends and family a few weeks before she has a baby that basically says, do what Dweller and Christy do Big Grin


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To be fair, we didn't come up with this idea, but found out about it through an article, maybe even the same one your friend handed out. I find most acts of charity are missed out on not because people are jerks, but because they just don't know.


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That is so awesome! I bet Finland is also one of the countries that provides better maternity leave too? I should've moved there before I got pregnant! Razz


Yeah, I have to warn you, this may sound a bit depressing to all you guys Not Having Babies In Finland:

Maternity leave starts about a month before the birth and lasts 105 days. (Note that only working days are counted, so a week = 5 days.) Paternity leave is 18 working days following the birth and an extra 18 working days a few months later. These are followed by 158 working days of parental leave, wich the parents can divide between themselves as they please. During all those leaves the parental allowance is about 75% of your normal income.

In addition, you're legally entitled to stay at home taking care of your child until s/he's 3 years old and be guaranteed your old job back when you return (provided you had a permanent contract), although after the parental allowance runs out the child home care allowance is only a little over 300€/month. Anyway, nearly all families have one parent*) staying at home until the baby's at least 10 or 11 months, and 90% until the kid's 18-24 months.

*) Usually still the mothers: I recently read that the vast majority of Finnish fathers use their paternity leave, but only 15% take any parental leave (using 7% of all parental leave days taken). So it's definitely not equally divided yet.


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Oh my lord, I *love* the cardboard box! It's essentially just a nice, draught-proof basinette!


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Yeah, I have to warn you, this may sound a bit depressing to all you guys Not Having Babies In Finland:



Yes, yes, it did. I'm so terribly jealous right now.

Seriously, the USA would have SO much better rates of moms breastfeeding, not to mention millions of other improvements for families due to parents being able to spend more time during those first months or years, if we only had better support for families like so many other nations do. It's horrible, ours is.




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I think the length of maternity leave in European countries also has an effect on the numbers of women stayin in work. In the US you have the choice of quitting your job alltogether, or paying for childcare for a baby that can't sit up yet. Here, although there are problems with it for small businesses in particular, you can wait until you have a toddler and go back to your old job, rather than hunting for a new one after a long absence from the workplace. I've not seen any numbers, but I know it would effect my decisions pretty drastically.



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Our work offers 3 months full pay, 3 months half pay then I think it's 3 months statutary maternity pay and 3 months no pay. I think you do then have to quit or come back.

You get all of your holidays built up whilst you were off, which are worth (depending on what pay scale you are on) between 26 and 36 additional days - 5 to 7 weeks. (if you started your maternity at the beginnning of the holiday period).

You can request to come back part time, and if it's at all suitable it does have to be agreed.

You do not have to get your old job back, but you have to get something comparable.

Men get 2 weeks full pay and 2 weeks statutary paternity.


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We had our big 20 week ultrasound.

It's gonna be a girl!

That is all.


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SQUEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE!!!

That is all.

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YAAAAAAAAAAAAAY! Still ridiculously excited for the two (three) of you Big Grin


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eeeeeeee! Big Grin




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Royko, you know she needs a real name AND a board name, now!


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Royko + Roykette = Roykita? Smile So excited for you guys!


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Racing Royko and Roykette w/ a 20 week BOY ultrasound. (Congrats over there Bro!!)

(21 TOTAL digits) <~~not including his nose. Wink

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Congrats to you and your muse artguy Smile


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yay!

I know I wanted more babies to knit things for, but sheesh, you lot are wearing out my fingers! Big Grin




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