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Scourge of the Lower East Side Member  |
So that was a self imposed Time Lord limit? I thought it was just a physiological one.
---------------------------- Official Pineapple Master General of the Realm of Unproductivity and Procrastination He said 'It's all in your head,' and I said, 'So's everything' But he didn't get it.... |
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Sittin' at the dock of the Bayeaux Tapestry Member  |
It's not clear, really.
In The Five Doctors the Lord President of Gallifrey offered the Master a completely new set of regenerations if he helped rescue the Doctor from the Death Zone. And in the 1996 movie the Master attempted to steal the Doctor's remaining lives. But I don't see how this equates to the Doctor now having infinite regenerations.  "The other night I dreamed that King George VI was dead, and that Helen Hardinge had somehow or other got herself proclaimed Queen of England, and that I was detailed to go and tell her that it wouldn't do at all; and when I did this, all she said was, 'You see, I am really Queen Mary,' and I said, 'Oh very well' - words to that effect, and woke up. Last night I dreamed that Eisenhower came to stay with us, and he insisted on being put to sleep in the dog kennel, with a collar and chain about his neck." - Sir Alan Lascelles, 19 February 1980 |
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Scourge of the Lower East Side Member |
Well, do you think the Doctor would know how to give himself new lives? Would he have the knowledge the Lord President did?
---------------------------- Official Pineapple Master General of the Realm of Unproductivity and Procrastination He said 'It's all in your head,' and I said, 'So's everything' But he didn't get it.... |
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Sittin' at the dock of the Bayeaux Tapestry Member |
Well, he has been Lord President at least twice. But I think the information was erased from his mind or something. It's something to do with only knowing certain things when wearing the Coronet of Rassilon, which I guess is lost with Gallifrey's destruction.
I think the Time Lords could renew their regenerations, but it required secret, forbidden knowledge and only at the most dire need, and probably special technology. In short, with Gallifrey gone, the chance of the Doctor getting new regenerations is nil. "The other night I dreamed that King George VI was dead, and that Helen Hardinge had somehow or other got herself proclaimed Queen of England, and that I was detailed to go and tell her that it wouldn't do at all; and when I did this, all she said was, 'You see, I am really Queen Mary,' and I said, 'Oh very well' - words to that effect, and woke up. Last night I dreamed that Eisenhower came to stay with us, and he insisted on being put to sleep in the dog kennel, with a collar and chain about his neck." - Sir Alan Lascelles, 19 February 1980 |
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Miss Kitty Fantastico Member  |
I... kinda thought that the Tardis needed Gallifrey (as a focal point? a node? a homing beacon?) to be able to zoom around through space and time.
But... I don't really know why I think that. I would have thought the end of the world is everyone's responsibility, wouldn't you? ~Death in Thief of Time Minister of Kraftwerk in the Realm of U & P, Order of the Pineapple with frond for advancement in Nap studies. |
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rodentia extraordinarinus Member  |
'xactly, Maeve.
um... but you do know it's a TV show, right?  They can say whatever they like! it's all made up anyway!And yes, in the origional series' you had to pretty much apply for more regenerations, but that doesn't matter, because it's not real and they can change things. ____________________________________________________ tiny ball of rage. hilarious, condensed rage - Snazz I never really lost my virginity... it just sort of eventually wore off - Chris Addison Um... I'm thinking that a lot of my internal conflict and malaise comes from the tension between the life I ACTUALLY want to live, and the stories I'd love to be able to tell? - T-Rex, qwantz.com |
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Miss Kitty Fantastico Member |
well... if it needs Gallifrey, how in hell can it work if Gallifrey is "destroyed"??
I have a much easier time wrapping my brain around the Tardis being bigger on the inside. I would have thought the end of the world is everyone's responsibility, wouldn't you? ~Death in Thief of Time Minister of Kraftwerk in the Realm of U & P, Order of the Pineapple with frond for advancement in Nap studies. |
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rodentia extraordinarinus Member |
well, that is my point, it shouldn't be able to work. But it does because they change things.
____________________________________________________ tiny ball of rage. hilarious, condensed rage - Snazz I never really lost my virginity... it just sort of eventually wore off - Chris Addison Um... I'm thinking that a lot of my internal conflict and malaise comes from the tension between the life I ACTUALLY want to live, and the stories I'd love to be able to tell? - T-Rex, qwantz.com |
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now available in colour! Member  |
with the death of all the time lords with th time war, do you think the Dr absorbed all their extra rgenerations? like he could focus a regeneration on the severed hand if it is transferable energey wouldn't it be time lord-ish to send that energy to the last remaining one?
Ad absurdum Aut viam inveniam aut faciam |
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rodentia extraordinarinus Member |
oooh, she's good!
 that is a very good idea! ____________________________________________________ tiny ball of rage. hilarious, condensed rage - Snazz I never really lost my virginity... it just sort of eventually wore off - Chris Addison Um... I'm thinking that a lot of my internal conflict and malaise comes from the tension between the life I ACTUALLY want to live, and the stories I'd love to be able to tell? - T-Rex, qwantz.com |
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Miss Kitty Fantastico Member |
Has this whole "destruction of Gallifrey" been explained? In an episode that I missed? Or is this just RTD's plot device?
I would have thought the end of the world is everyone's responsibility, wouldn't you? ~Death in Thief of Time Minister of Kraftwerk in the Realm of U & P, Order of the Pineapple with frond for advancement in Nap studies. |
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rodentia extraordinarinus Member |
Huge big war! Although something someone said in another episode made me think that what happened might be what happened in the novels - the Doctor had to destroy it to save the universe. A bit like in Pompeii.
____________________________________________________ tiny ball of rage. hilarious, condensed rage - Snazz I never really lost my virginity... it just sort of eventually wore off - Chris Addison Um... I'm thinking that a lot of my internal conflict and malaise comes from the tension between the life I ACTUALLY want to live, and the stories I'd love to be able to tell? - T-Rex, qwantz.com |
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Sittin' at the dock of the Bayeaux Tapestry Member |
Sarah's idea is terrible, sorry
I know they can change things in Doctor Who, but I think the 13 regenerations thing has been repeated too many times for them to undo. As flexible as Who is, they've never flat out contradicted themselves on central canon, and the 13 lives thing is central canon. Moreover, having an immortal, unkillable hero is crap. Where's the suspense, if you know he'll always come back? Why would he be worried about bad guys, if all he has to do is get shot and regenerate, and try again? What value does an immortal hero give us, if we don't have to fear for him? Answer: none. Doctor Who's title character has always been extra impressive because unlike other TV show heroes, he has died. He's died in horrific ways, normally saving the Universe, and every time he regenerates, he loses a piece of himself, and his life clock ticks one more second closer to midnight. In this way the Doctor is more mortal, more vulnerable, and less certain than any other hero out there, despite his in-built longevity. He can die, and one day we will lose him. That's what makes it so cool. Making him immortal will have the show inevitably peter out into oblivion again in an ignonimous way. I'd rather it ended with a finality. It'd become a sci fi saga for the modern age. Let's not reduce it to the status of normal TV "The other night I dreamed that King George VI was dead, and that Helen Hardinge had somehow or other got herself proclaimed Queen of England, and that I was detailed to go and tell her that it wouldn't do at all; and when I did this, all she said was, 'You see, I am really Queen Mary,' and I said, 'Oh very well' - words to that effect, and woke up. Last night I dreamed that Eisenhower came to stay with us, and he insisted on being put to sleep in the dog kennel, with a collar and chain about his neck." - Sir Alan Lascelles, 19 February 1980 |
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Administrator/Colporteur Member  |
They already gave him a son and a daughter. They have built in spinoffs there.
__________ AJGraeme "You see, I have a policy about honesty and ass-kicking: if you ask for it, I have to let you have it." -Taylor Mali "I am a sexy, shoeless god of war." -Belkar |
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Sittin' at the dock of the Bayeaux Tapestry Member |
Well I don't know if they've specified a son. Definitely a 'daughter', a grandaughter, and a brother.
But personally, I'd rather the Doctor's thirteenth death be the final end. "The other night I dreamed that King George VI was dead, and that Helen Hardinge had somehow or other got herself proclaimed Queen of England, and that I was detailed to go and tell her that it wouldn't do at all; and when I did this, all she said was, 'You see, I am really Queen Mary,' and I said, 'Oh very well' - words to that effect, and woke up. Last night I dreamed that Eisenhower came to stay with us, and he insisted on being put to sleep in the dog kennel, with a collar and chain about his neck." - Sir Alan Lascelles, 19 February 1980 |
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Firekeeper's Sister Member  |
Oh, ok, here's a question:
Since 10 regenerated, (albeit into himself,) doesn't that actually make him 11? -Natalie ----*-*-*-*---- Not really human, just turns into one on the full moon. I've totally got deviantARTs. (and now I sell t-shirts too ! www.cafepress.com/teethinthestars ) |
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Sittin' at the dock of the Bayeaux Tapestry Member |
No, he aborted the regeneration, in effect.
"The other night I dreamed that King George VI was dead, and that Helen Hardinge had somehow or other got herself proclaimed Queen of England, and that I was detailed to go and tell her that it wouldn't do at all; and when I did this, all she said was, 'You see, I am really Queen Mary,' and I said, 'Oh very well' - words to that effect, and woke up. Last night I dreamed that Eisenhower came to stay with us, and he insisted on being put to sleep in the dog kennel, with a collar and chain about his neck." - Sir Alan Lascelles, 19 February 1980 |
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Administrator Member  |
wow! i loved sean in dog soldiers but i really didn't spot any resemblance. however, seeing them next to each other...wow! ~ I prefer to live in a country that's small, and old, and where no one would ever have the NERVE to wear a cape in public, whether they could leap tall buildings in a single bound or not. trolls are like pigeons..keep feeding them and they keep coming back and shitting in your street. |
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is hogging the Comfy Chair Member  |
Three of Mark's favourite things in one news story.
*********************** There once was a bard of Hong Kong Who thought limericks were too long. - Gerard Benson. |
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Sittin' at the dock of the Bayeaux Tapestry Member |
Hee!
"The other night I dreamed that King George VI was dead, and that Helen Hardinge had somehow or other got herself proclaimed Queen of England, and that I was detailed to go and tell her that it wouldn't do at all; and when I did this, all she said was, 'You see, I am really Queen Mary,' and I said, 'Oh very well' - words to that effect, and woke up. Last night I dreamed that Eisenhower came to stay with us, and he insisted on being put to sleep in the dog kennel, with a collar and chain about his neck." - Sir Alan Lascelles, 19 February 1980 |
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