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Miss Kitty Fantastico Member  |
Flippin hell! wrong file! I wasted all that time and it won't play! aaaaauuuugggghhhhh!
I would have thought the end of the world is everyone's responsibility, wouldn't you? ~Death in Thief of Time Minister of Kraftwerk in the Realm of U & P, Order of the Pineapple with frond for advancement in Nap studies. |
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"Flam - flames. Flames, on the side of my face, heathing . . . breathle - heathing breaths. Heathing breath . . ." Member  |
Hmm.
Huh! And also WOW!, in a way. Yeah, the Rose/Romance bit was unnecessary, soppy, classic RTD, but it was no Last of the Time Lords, thankgod. The German-speaking scenes fed my pet peeve about casting non-native speakers as native speakers of some language again, and I still shudder at some of the atrocious acting from Freema Aygeman. But all in all, more good moments than bad ones, I'd say. And I did tear up for Donna in the end. *le sigh* And now, the looooooooooooooooong wait begins. ****************************************************************** Superbly Sublime Splendiferous Sterling Shiftmaster of the Realm of Unproductivity and Procrastination ****************************************************************** You are a Player. There are no small parts, only small people, and we suspect that's due to malnutrition endemic to the period. Every night you're a different person, knave or king, man or woman, 875 roles in all. The ones the audience liked got you applause, and the ones they didn't got you pelted rotten vegetables. The theater is a harsh mistress, but you love her dearly. Plus, it beats working for a living! ****************************************************************** 'But I don't want to go among mad people,' Alice remarked. 'Oh, you can't help that,' said the Cat: 'we're all mad here. I'm mad. You're mad.' 'How do you know I'm mad?' said Alice 'You must be' said the Cat 'or you wouldn't have come here' |
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Sittin' at the dock of the Bayeaux Tapestry Member  |
Oh the German Daleks were a stroke of genius
  "The other night I dreamed that King George VI was dead, and that Helen Hardinge had somehow or other got herself proclaimed Queen of England, and that I was detailed to go and tell her that it wouldn't do at all; and when I did this, all she said was, 'You see, I am really Queen Mary,' and I said, 'Oh very well' - words to that effect, and woke up. Last night I dreamed that Eisenhower came to stay with us, and he insisted on being put to sleep in the dog kennel, with a collar and chain about his neck." - Sir Alan Lascelles, 19 February 1980 |
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Miss Kitty Fantastico Member |
I... need to watch it again I think.
I would have thought the end of the world is everyone's responsibility, wouldn't you? ~Death in Thief of Time Minister of Kraftwerk in the Realm of U & P, Order of the Pineapple with frond for advancement in Nap studies. |
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Firekeeper's Sister Member  |
Right, yes Mark. First off:
Symbolically, partly. I'm using dream interpretation. Which, since this particular work of fiction swings far closer to fantasy than it does to SF, I argue is nearly as valid as any literal interpretation. I'm also going to argue that that interpretation is true in the literal sense on at least one level, but that's for later when I get the spoiler tags in. *edit* No, wait, it's not. I had this whole huge essay planned about what I actually meant there and why and how I disagree with some of the other stuff, but stuff came up and I lost my steam. arrg sorry I'm such a spaz anyway so I'll just leave in the part where I insult Joss Whedon. */edit* OK! So: You're right that RTD doesn't deserve that much credit, and I feel guilty now for saying it. Your reasons for hating him are just as valid as my reasons for (occasionally) not... in fact, possibly more so because you're 1) British, therefore you have National Pride rights 2) were alive and watching when the original show was actually running. (I watched Star Trek, fer kek's sake.) But anyway I left this chunk of essay in because I fully support hatin on authors of popular television shows. I still have a major, gnawing grudge against Joss Whedon even after Firefly. Mostly because he doesn't know jack shit about hyenas and for that I will never fucking forgive him. Even though it has now been confirmed that Joss Whedon is God. In fact that's actually a point against him in my book. Probably his too because he's an atheist, so now he's got the metaphysical paradox thing going on. Anyway, your reasons for hating RTD are far more rational than mine for hating JW. But now he is going away, and there is still Doctor Who, and if I'd put the rest of my explanation I was going to say that there is still room for a platonic interpretation, particularly on the Doctor's part, but, but look! That guy who kept insisting otherwise? Can't say it in cannon anymore! Flip him off as he leaves. That's good. And that was my reason for suggesting the Happy Dance. so... happy dance? This message has been edited. Last edited by: VegaRiad, -Natalie ----*-*-*-*---- Not really human, just turns into one on the full moon. I've totally got deviantARTs. (and now I sell t-shirts too ! www.cafepress.com/teethinthestars ) |
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Firekeeper's Sister Member |
Oh oh! I just thought of a way to say partly what I was going to say in a really short way!
~~A human duplicate. One which feels human emotions, something that the original Doctor may or may not have been able to give, and would be able to live a human life, which the original would certainly not be able to give. see? :\ (the whole amputation bit is mostly just my commentary on the imagery, because even though I'm probably just making it up, it all seemed really symbolically loaded to me & that's just how I think.)~~ -Natalie ----*-*-*-*---- Not really human, just turns into one on the full moon. I've totally got deviantARTs. (and now I sell t-shirts too ! www.cafepress.com/teethinthestars ) |
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is hogging the Comfy Chair Member  |
So - no-one else saw a Christopher Pike/The Cage parallel, then?
*********************** There once was a bard of Hong Kong Who thought limericks were too long. - Gerard Benson. |
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rodentia extraordinarinus Member  |
I totally agree! the reason the Doctor can't do the love thing isn't because time lords are incapable of it - that's daft given they breed and we know he has a granddaughter and is so into emotions. But he can't let himself love her (or anyone humanish) because he can't share her life in the same way becasue he's damn near immortal, and becasue it would hurt him so much to watch her grow old and die etc. See: on the beach where he can't tell her what he was going to say, but the human-doctor can. That's the difference, and that's why both in many ways Mark, you're right - he doesn't do romanitic love, (and he hasn't really on screen)- but also we are right! because it's not something he can never ever do under any circumstances. It can happen, and it's him makign the descision. ____________________________________________________ tiny ball of rage. hilarious, condensed rage - Snazz I never really lost my virginity... it just sort of eventually wore off - Chris Addison Um... I'm thinking that a lot of my internal conflict and malaise comes from the tension between the life I ACTUALLY want to live, and the stories I'd love to be able to tell? - T-Rex, qwantz.com |
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Bloody hell - (excuse my French) - that's so clever - how do you do that (I'm just so lame on the computer you wouldn't believe it - "oh yes we do") (am now running around like a headless chicken highlighting everything I can get my hands on - no wonder so much didn't make sense on here) - See, I'm soooo slooooow! xxx Thank you Hive xxx ********* I tell you, we are here on Earth to fart around, and don't let anybody tell you different. Kurt Vonnegut |
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Oestre sparagmos! Member  |
one of the options on the top of the reply screen is text colour - it looks like a pallet? and then you can select white, and type what you want to say
(don't worry, i had to have that explained to me as well  )____________________________________________________ Did you know? When it snows, my eyes become large and the light that you shine can't be seen. wanted: someone to listen and respond to random opinions from a random personality. not TOO serious, please. people who think they're reeeeeeeally funny need not apply, because they so rarely are. ~ Limertilly http://www.flickr.com/photos/fionchadd/ - there are actually some photos here now (shock!) |
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don't worry, you're not the first to have to be told how that works. in your reply box next to the smilie there is a little paint pallet, open that, select the colour white and then type your spoiler in the box and press okay. ~ I prefer to live in a country that's small, and old, and where no one would ever have the NERVE to wear a cape in public, whether they could leap tall buildings in a single bound or not. trolls are like pigeons..keep feeding them and they keep coming back and shitting in your street. |
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Thank you thank you thank you!
********* I tell you, we are here on Earth to fart around, and don't let anybody tell you different. Kurt Vonnegut |
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Miss Kitty Fantastico Member |
I didn't figure it out on my own, that's for sure. Hell, it took me a while to realise the whole highlight so you can read it bit.
I still need to watch it again. I was jumping out of my seat during the first bit and then ranting more than a bit during the second bit - RTD reverted to crappy dialogue, it lagged quite a bit and I just don't see how they can keep it *all* from her. I don't mind the bits that bugged Mark. I feel like I've missed some huge plot element somehow. I haven't watched the Sarah Jane Chronicles, so could that be why I feel a gap?I would have thought the end of the world is everyone's responsibility, wouldn't you? ~Death in Thief of Time Minister of Kraftwerk in the Realm of U & P, Order of the Pineapple with frond for advancement in Nap studies. |
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DM will likely hate me for this but as soon as I saw Martha running to catch up with Mickey and Jack I thought...
Oh! What if Mickey and Martha got together? They could totally commiserate on how the Doctor and Rose will never love them. :P ______________________________ I wear the cheese, the cheese does not wear me. |
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"Flam - flames. Flames, on the side of my face, heathing . . . breathle - heathing breaths. Heathing breath . . ." Member |
Heeeee! Lookee what Daniel, my only local Dr Who-fan, made for my desktop!
 Cause he's awesome like that! *bounces* Edit: okay, he apparently didn't *make* it, but he sent it to me! This message has been edited. Last edited by: Ceridwen, ****************************************************************** Superbly Sublime Splendiferous Sterling Shiftmaster of the Realm of Unproductivity and Procrastination ****************************************************************** You are a Player. There are no small parts, only small people, and we suspect that's due to malnutrition endemic to the period. Every night you're a different person, knave or king, man or woman, 875 roles in all. The ones the audience liked got you applause, and the ones they didn't got you pelted rotten vegetables. The theater is a harsh mistress, but you love her dearly. Plus, it beats working for a living! ****************************************************************** 'But I don't want to go among mad people,' Alice remarked. 'Oh, you can't help that,' said the Cat: 'we're all mad here. I'm mad. You're mad.' 'How do you know I'm mad?' said Alice 'You must be' said the Cat 'or you wouldn't have come here' |
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little. yellow. different Member  |
No, that's cool, that's fine. Its *the Doctor* having any romance that Mark thinks is off, and I agree with him. Tons of companions in the original run had romances and in a fair few cases, stopped travelling with the Doctor as a result. __________________________________________________________ Oh you young people. It's all tea and muffins and excitement in your world I expect. |
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Miss Kitty Fantastico Member |
That's the bit the Neil wrote in his journal! When I read it off, I totally heard David Tennant in my head. (I'm totally nicking this image by the way. )I would have thought the end of the world is everyone's responsibility, wouldn't you? ~Death in Thief of Time Minister of Kraftwerk in the Realm of U & P, Order of the Pineapple with frond for advancement in Nap studies. |
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Me too!?
********* I tell you, we are here on Earth to fart around, and don't let anybody tell you different. Kurt Vonnegut |
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Sittin' at the dock of the Bayeaux Tapestry Member |
Hee, this is going to be my new desktop wallpaper
 "The other night I dreamed that King George VI was dead, and that Helen Hardinge had somehow or other got herself proclaimed Queen of England, and that I was detailed to go and tell her that it wouldn't do at all; and when I did this, all she said was, 'You see, I am really Queen Mary,' and I said, 'Oh very well' - words to that effect, and woke up. Last night I dreamed that Eisenhower came to stay with us, and he insisted on being put to sleep in the dog kennel, with a collar and chain about his neck." - Sir Alan Lascelles, 19 February 1980 |
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Firekeeper's Sister Member |
haahaa, that's fuckin awesome.
Mark, would you think it was stupid and annoying if I told you that as of 10 at least, I'd always interpreted Rose as more of a mother rather than a lover? And #10 as kind of a clingy mamma's boy, but with the result that he's unusually good at getting people to like him, as his incarnations go. -Natalie ----*-*-*-*---- Not really human, just turns into one on the full moon. I've totally got deviantARTs. (and now I sell t-shirts too ! www.cafepress.com/teethinthestars ) |
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