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Melittosphex sapiens
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As I am desperate to discuss this on the internet, but can't on twitter, where I usually hang out, as I am not a dick, and even at this late stage not everyone has seen it yet.

PS - hello everyone! It's been about, er, two years...


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Hive! *pouncehugs* I miss you!

As it's very difficult to keep me from being spoilery and I love the movie and have seen it three times so far, I'm in.



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Hooray! And hello!

I have just seen it for the second time, with sillypunk and various others (and kidlet).

Okay, just for anyone else coming on:

THIS

THREAD

WILL

BE

CHOCK

FULL

OF

SPOILERS!

Proceed at your own risk!


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Also, I know not who is on Ravelry, but one of the groups I belong to (Lazy, Stupid, and Godless) is chock full of splendid people and there's a spoilers thread there, with various observations and speculations and silly pictures.

I think BB8 is giving a thumbs up, but, well, sassy robot is sassy, so, who knows?

I also think Han totally knew what he was doing and he absolutely grabbed the thing, he wasn't trying to stop anything from happening.

Also, holy hell, how did people not see that coming?? My darling son didn't, despite me squirming in my seat, muttering "no, no, no".

General Leia Organa kicks butt and I would definitely like to see more of her. And Luke... seriously? No dialogue? Although he did still manage to convey a LOT. But really, he just... ran away? He's not a very good teacher, is he.

A leetle more backstory would have been nice. Such as: Who the hell is Snoke anyway? And really? Another Deathstar?

All in all, I loved it though. It hit all the right nostalgia notes. I adore all the new characters. Rey, Finn and Poe are adorable and they all work well together. The new baddies are cheese-tastic (and ginger!) and everyone seems to be really into it.

I'm not sorry to see JJ Abrahams not coming back. It's fine that he started something and someone else is continuing.



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Poe and Finn have the best chemistry, and i think that's mostly down to Oscar Isaacs.

I think Luke might be on the dark side, based on the theme he has at the end.


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God, no, not Luke on the dark side! NOOOOOOO!

I have seen one quite plausible theory, is that Luke is a nuclear reactor in an earthquake zone, doesn't trust himself not to go to the Dark Side after Kylo Ren killed all his students, so takes himself far, far away, to what he perceives as the source of the Light Side (the Jedi temple) to keep the rest of the galaxy safe.

I think he's wrong, of course - the Jedi were really fucked up, if the prequels were anything to believe, and so Luke is not inoculating himself by going to their temple. I think Luke is good because well, he's good. He's the very opposite of Kylo Ren, in that he's a lowly farmboy plucked out of obscurity to become The Last Jedi, and is constantly doubting himself and worried about the Dark Side. Whereas Ben Solo was - quite literally - galactic royalty, a whiny asshole who is naturally Light but is desperate to be a Force Goth Fanboy, and is a bit shit at it while still being horifically dangerous.

(I like the presentation of Kylo Ren as nasty-minded foot-stamping teenage Darth Vader fanboy - both horribly dangerous and still quite ridiculous.)


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And I loved Leia, and that she's the General.

I thought it was quite brave to have Leia, Han and Luke all split up. It absolutely worked.


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listen to the music cue when Luke appears on screen. the very first part of it is *awfully* reminiscent of certain dark side cues that we've heard a thousand times. the rest of his new theme is kind of neutral, but the first notes and the underlying stuff is definitely not on the light side.

I think the whole point of the sequels is that the "balance" talked about all over the place is an internal balance. you can't be light without dark. you can't be dark without light. Luke has to get to that place, as does Kylo Ren.


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I'm going to have to wait for the DVD before I pay that level of attention to the music.

Can't lie, last watch I did (I've only seen it twice) I was taking the opportunity to look really properly at the landscapes as well as the faces.

There were so many leap-out-of-your-seat lovely moments the first time around. One of my absolute favourites was the first sight of the "garbage".


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It feels a bit late, given the number of times I've been through this with IRL friends, to kick off with a breakdown of everything I thought about it (and some of the memories of exactly how I felt are fading). But how I summed it up was that it was everything I wanted and more.

It didn't even remotely occur to me that BB-8s gesture wasn't a thumbs up. I was pretty shocked that anyone came up with the other idea.

Wasn't it *funny*?! Way more so than the other films, and it didn't feel wrong.

I knew what was coming as soon as Han stepped onto that bridge, and immediately realised I should have known earlier.

I cannot for the life of me believe I didn't hypothesise who Kylo Ren is. I must have been so determined to forget the suggestion that he might be Luke that I didn't suspect the real answer.

I've heard criticisms of Daisy Ridley's acting. Absolute nonsense, I thought she was excellent.

I really really must get round to watching Attack the Block, because John Boyega was also fantastic. I hear it's amazing but I have just always felt I would have trouble identifying with the characters.

The amount of homage/reference did not grate at all when I first saw it, but it is starting to now (3 viewings so far).

Biggest gripe: Snoke. Stupid name, Looks rubbish, is he human? Where has he come from, what is his motivation? Is he really gigantic or is he just a pathetic egotist like the Wizard of Oz? He had better not be the overall Big Bad, I do not want to see Palpatine diminished in that way.

Second biggest gripe: Dispensing with the Republic government without even having established it.

Third: How have the FO got all this kit and power? Unless Starkiller was already under construction by the Empire?


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Oh yes, first sight of "the garbage" was me, literally gasping in astonishment and joy.

And derivative? Sure. But I got to see the Millennium Falcon fly again, on the big screen, next to my nerdy kid.

I agree, Psi, Snoke? What a silly name. It does not inspire dread or fear.

And I could be wrong, but we don't know that there weren't more Deathstars being built? It's not inconceivable that a bigger one was being built. (yeah, OK, lookit my disbelief suspended aaaaaaaal the way up there)



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The derivative-ness of it I don't mind at all. It hit the exact bit of my psyche that wanted to see A New Hope, while at the same time (blasphemy, I know) more enjoyable for me than actually rewatching A New Hope.

(There's nothing wrong with ANH! It's just that I've seen it so many times, and it's been referenced in popular culture so many times, that when I do put it on, I kind of fail to pay attention to it, in the same way I can't watch Hamlet any more because every line is in my subconscious already.)

Agree with Psi that all the actors are excellent, inc Daisy Ridley. I want to now go see the back catalogue of them all. Haven't seen Ex Machina, though it's on my to-watch list, and was astonished that the reclusive AI CEO is Oscar Issac, as he's almost unrecognisable in it.

Also agreed that Snoke has the most potential for disappointment.

I wonder what they have in store for Kylo Ren. He must have some kind of redemption arc in the offing, but I want something more than Vader's rather cheap redemption. (Vader's turn to the light was dramatically satisfying but on reflection rather cross-making - he didn't atone for all the billions of people he killed, just had five minutes of "I don't want my son to die" and got into Jedi Heaven on the strength of that.) Kylo Ren can't be forgiven, exactly, for Han's death, but he can be positioned to begin to atone, which is what I'd prefer - and since Leia's last words to Han were to bring their son back, maybe that's what they may be thinking of, too. Maybe.


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I am reading the novelisation and I can now confirm that BB-8 was giving a thumbs up.


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I have heard from other people that it's a good book and fills in some info.

Dev found it at Sam's Club and I'll read it when he's done.



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Have been thinking about Han. Am not *glad* he died, as such, but am thinking for story purposes it was necessary. Of the old guard, Leia has a continuing purpose as General, we have yet to know what Luke will do (apart from being a maguffin, and also what someone on the interwebs has called "trash fire Jesus"), and Han has already done his "scoundrel smuggler and reluctant hero" bit. That would be difficult to reprise in later films, and dramatically potentially quite unsatisfying, so giving him the most dramatic of deaths was probably the best thing to do with his character arc.

Han, I adore you beyond all measure, but you had to go.


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Absolutely. I understood how necessary it was for story purposes as soon as it happened.

And there is the practical point that I can well believe Harrison wouldn't have come back unless Han died. It's well known he told Lucas that's what he wanted for the character, in both ESB and RotJ


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When they said that R2 had been in low power mode since "Master Luke went away" I just about died.

So sad, guys! OMG.

I am really attached to those goddamn droids.


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that moment when BB-8 rolls up to him and bumps up against him to wake him up. SO ADORABLE I NEARLY DIE


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Oh yes the droids. I had to focus on them, after losing my most favourite character in the whole damn thing! I WISH I'D BEEN SPOILERED!!!

I was so VERY nostalgic when Han and Leia met again, after all these years. So many years. Their meeting again and being friends made me so happy I cried, so to have him go and die completely finished me off. I couldn't believe they could do that!

So sad. They could have just retired him. Bastards!

That's almost all I have to say.

(except it was a bloody good film and I'd better see it again to enjoy it properly)


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I am really suffering from TFA withdrawal. No cinemas near me are showing it, now, and it's MONTHS before it'll come out on DVD. BUT I WANNA WATCH IT AGAIN!!!!!!!!! *wail*


Limertilly: A pagan deity forgotten by man and therefore banished to the realms of memory and darkness now remembered by a young girl in downtown L.A. in the form of a dream and therefore freed to reap your revenge on the people who discarded you, thereby forcing said girl to learn to use her innate yet awesome powers as a soothsayer to gather forces of the Earth to defy you and once more banish you to your cold, cold prisoooooon

blog: http://limertillysfoodporn.wordpress.com/

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