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Fractal demiurge Member  |
No, I don't think McCain's ads are working...the conceit is a bit ridiculous: "The world loves Obama! This means he can't lead! Eek!"
No, my issue is with the direction Obama's campaign is heading which is: "Hey, you crazy kids! Luv Barack? Text ILUVM3SUMOBAMA to hear the latest and juciest stories before all your friends! Do it now and we'll send you a sneak peek of his Christmas CD on MP3!" He can be popular without being like, the most popular kid in school, I mean totally. It's true that his strongest supporters are the youth vote, but that doesn't mean they want to be treated the same way that MTV treats them: like consumers. I'm afraid that's what this nation is becoming: just a mindless mass of consumers being manipulated to purchase a product rather than a nation of individuals encouraged to vote for a candidate who will represent our collective beliefs.  **** “Chives?†“Yes, m’lud?†“Is that Ms Ephemera hovering over the croquet lawn?†“Indeed m’lud. She’s marshalled all the haggle-dans. Missy-twigs and vale-nymphs from Claypole Woods. Apparently she intends to tear this house down and dance on the ruins.†“Well, Chives, you’d better start the car, what? And pack my tennis things too†--- Joe 3Heads |
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I think it would have been good for McCain to use the opportunity as a one liner in a press conference, but to have TV adds totally centered around the idea really disappoints me. IMO McCain can beat Obama on the issues across the board. Why not keep the focus on the issues? By succumbing to the negative adds, McCain takes the focus off of the issues, and moves it into the area that Obama does well in, which is the "soft" politics (for lack of a better word). Just to clarify, by "soft" I mean that people just like Obama. He's a likeable and eloquent guy. ---------------------------- "How do you get from here to the rest of the world?" |
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"Flam - flames. Flames, on the side of my face, heathing . . . breathle - heathing breaths. Heathing breath . . ." Member  |
In a presidential election? You bet your ass someone will dig it up. It might not make it to the press, but someone somewhere will find out.
That's a good point, Alaura. I hadn't thought of it like that before, but you're right. And I think this actually feeds into the general voter-weariness, because people get disappointed by being treated like consumers. ****************************************************************** Superbly Sublime Splendiferous Sterling Shiftmaster of the Realm of Unproductivity and Procrastination ****************************************************************** You are a Player. There are no small parts, only small people, and we suspect that's due to malnutrition endemic to the period. Every night you're a different person, knave or king, man or woman, 875 roles in all. The ones the audience liked got you applause, and the ones they didn't got you pelted rotten vegetables. The theater is a harsh mistress, but you love her dearly. Plus, it beats working for a living! ****************************************************************** 'But I don't want to go among mad people,' Alice remarked. 'Oh, you can't help that,' said the Cat: 'we're all mad here. I'm mad. You're mad.' 'How do you know I'm mad?' said Alice 'You must be' said the Cat 'or you wouldn't have come here' |
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Sittin' at the dock of the Bayeaux Tapestry Member  |
If I were voting in the US election, any candidate which declared they were one of 'us' would automatically and emphatically lose my vote.
 "The other night I dreamed that King George VI was dead, and that Helen Hardinge had somehow or other got herself proclaimed Queen of England, and that I was detailed to go and tell her that it wouldn't do at all; and when I did this, all she said was, 'You see, I am really Queen Mary,' and I said, 'Oh very well' - words to that effect, and woke up. Last night I dreamed that Eisenhower came to stay with us, and he insisted on being put to sleep in the dog kennel, with a collar and chain about his neck." - Sir Alan Lascelles, 19 February 1980 |
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This is kinda hijacking this thread, but do you guys see McCain as a centerist anymore? Did you ever?
I still do. And I like it. I'm probably one of the few conservatives that does like it though. ---------------------------- "How do you get from here to the rest of the world?" |
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Yahr! Member  |
You really think no one who wins a presidential election has skeletons in their closet? ~ Gal-El You don't have to be a basketball player, you can be the president of the United States. ~ LeBron James. |
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And for that matter, some of the guys that win ARE the skeletons in the closet.
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The Biscuitkeeper Member  |
I would've voted for him in 2000. He's compromised on too many things and kissed way too much Bush ass since then for me even consider him a centrist. I'm Matt Cable and I approve this message. ________________________________________________ I'm alright. Don't nobody worry bout me. |
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I DID vote for him in 2000 (primary). He won in New Hampshire and had some real momentum going for a while there. The reason he isn't president now is because Karl Rove did a racist hatchet-job on him in South Carolina. I don't even recognize this guy who claims to be John McCain. |
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"Flam - flames. Flames, on the side of my face, heathing . . . breathle - heathing breaths. Heathing breath . . ." Member |
I didn't say that. Everyone has some form of skeleton in their closet. It's how you deal with yours that can determine the election in question. I said that "someone somewhere" will find out. It might be your opponent, your own camp or the press. There are ways of hushing things up or dealing with it early on, so it doesn't become a huge scandal, but someone knows nevertheless. ****************************************************************** Superbly Sublime Splendiferous Sterling Shiftmaster of the Realm of Unproductivity and Procrastination ****************************************************************** You are a Player. There are no small parts, only small people, and we suspect that's due to malnutrition endemic to the period. Every night you're a different person, knave or king, man or woman, 875 roles in all. The ones the audience liked got you applause, and the ones they didn't got you pelted rotten vegetables. The theater is a harsh mistress, but you love her dearly. Plus, it beats working for a living! ****************************************************************** 'But I don't want to go among mad people,' Alice remarked. 'Oh, you can't help that,' said the Cat: 'we're all mad here. I'm mad. You're mad.' 'How do you know I'm mad?' said Alice 'You must be' said the Cat 'or you wouldn't have come here' |
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he might have been guaranteed a win with that choice.
there's some people that you don't forget even though you've only seen'm one time or two. when the roses fade and i'm in the shade i'll remember you. - Bob Dylan |
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Sittin' at the dock of the Bayeaux Tapestry Member |
Any news yet?
"The other night I dreamed that King George VI was dead, and that Helen Hardinge had somehow or other got herself proclaimed Queen of England, and that I was detailed to go and tell her that it wouldn't do at all; and when I did this, all she said was, 'You see, I am really Queen Mary,' and I said, 'Oh very well' - words to that effect, and woke up. Last night I dreamed that Eisenhower came to stay with us, and he insisted on being put to sleep in the dog kennel, with a collar and chain about his neck." - Sir Alan Lascelles, 19 February 1980 |
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Yahr, fear the power of the elf-man! Member  |
I think McCain comes off best when he does not try to compare himself directly with Obama.
This is not a negative thing. I just think he is most appealing when he is taking is frank talk approach about subjects. It was this approach, in my opinion that put him in front of the other republican candidates. I think he would be best served to concentrate getting his persona out there and quit trying to take on the Obamamania thing. ------------------------------ my cup runs over but I am so blind I just complain as it spills around me |
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has been eaten by a grue. Member |
the thing that's soured me on McCain has really been the mudslinging. comparing Obama to Britney Spears? that's ridiculous. it's a personal attck, and a bad one at that; if it's all he's got, I'm not interested.
check out this email a coworker gleefully sent me yesterday:
I mean, wtf people?
what he said. ~ We're just babies making up a game, if you're right. But...babies playing a game can make a play-world which licks your real world hollow. That's why I'm going to stand by the play-world. ~ Elite Special Force Procrastinator, trained in High Arts of Extended Coffee Breaks and Master Linguist of the Water Cooler Conversation |
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Only sounds like Keith Flint Member  |
You think Mccain can beat obama on policy? Which? Mccain has never had a solid stance on anything except for the fact that he admittedly doesn't understand how the economy works. I think if this was about policy he'd get creamed. I'm hoping Michael Phelps. |
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He's gonna text who ever is on his text list. I'm on it. I'll probably be at work when it happens though :-( |
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has been eaten by a grue. Member |
I have decided that it should be a woman who is not Hillary Clinton. that way, he appeases all the women who were going to vote for her because she was a woman (I'm sorry, but that's really what some of her supporters seemed to be doing) without foisting her on the rest of us for four years.
I mean, the most qualified individual, regardless of gender, should be chosen, but still. it'd be convenient. ~ We're just babies making up a game, if you're right. But...babies playing a game can make a play-world which licks your real world hollow. That's why I'm going to stand by the play-world. ~ Elite Special Force Procrastinator, trained in High Arts of Extended Coffee Breaks and Master Linguist of the Water Cooler Conversation |
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The Biscuitkeeper Member |
I don't believe that at all. I've heard the Kansas Governor mentioned, but some Clinton supporters said that'd be an insult. They will simply continue to be sore losers. I'm Matt Cable and I approve this message. ________________________________________________ I'm alright. Don't nobody worry bout me. |
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has been eaten by a grue. Member |
hmm. yeah, you're probably right. seriously, I have never seen such sore losers outside of a schoolyard. f'r instance, why the hell should the Obama campaign have to foot Hillary's bill? that doesn't make any sense to me. she racked up the charges, so they're her responsibility. they don't become his obligation just because she lost.
~ We're just babies making up a game, if you're right. But...babies playing a game can make a play-world which licks your real world hollow. That's why I'm going to stand by the play-world. ~ Elite Special Force Procrastinator, trained in High Arts of Extended Coffee Breaks and Master Linguist of the Water Cooler Conversation |
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