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oh Maeve... "devlin oregano" made me laugh!

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I'm confused it says the amendment was rejected. I think it was talking about the amendment to the bill to make it NOT possible to detain American Citizens or Legal Residents with military force and no due process?


Holy shit. That was for amendment S.A. 1064, NOT S.A. 1062, by another Senator Paul. That amendment I linked to was a rejection to an official end of the Iraq war (yes, it's still going on, folks).

The bill passed. If Obama doesn't veto the bill any US citizen can be thrown into a military prison, possibly one outside the United States, if they are considered to be behaving "belligerently" (ambiguous as hell, isn't it?).

What's even more disturbing is that Huffington is the only major media source that mentioned this, and it only did so after the fact.

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Ok, I need to get more informed on stuff like this, so give me a tutorial. I can't easily find SA 1062 to see what it said or where it passed. I also don't see where Bill S1867 passed. And how does it relate to S1253? I'm so confused.


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All hell appears to have broken out at work. Somebody send coffee.


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I have no coffee, but I have some lovely Assam tea!

I should wrap up Dev's presents. Or at least finish knitting his stocking.



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Derby world cup is so good!

I'm watching the NZ Germany game it's so close!
 
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Ok, I need to get more informed on stuff like this, so give me a tutorial. I can't easily find SA 1062 to see what it said or where it passed. I also don't see where Bill S1867 passed. And how does it relate to S1253? I'm so confused.


I can understand your confusion, especially since the media isn't covering this, the congressional websites are confusing and ambiguous, the National Record re-uses bill and amendment numbers for every new Congress, and my own Chicken Little reporting isn't clarifying much. Razz To the best of my knowledge which I myself am discovering:

S.1867 – the “National Defense Authorization Act”, a budget bill backed by Senators Carl Levin and John McCain, which also allows the US military to arrest American citizens who are believed to be associated with al-Qaeda, are associated with people who are believed to be associated with al-Qaeda, and people behaving “belligerently”. In short, anyone who is suspected of domestic terrorism or is not kowtowing to authority figures (or doing things like taking photos of the police or protesting) can be arrested and given the same “rights” and “due process” as an individual in the Guantanamo Bay detention center. This bill passed the Senate 93-7 on Nov 30/Dec. 1. This bill now needs to be passed by the House of Representatives and signed by the President to become law. EDIT: Whoops. Got my Senate and H.R. billmaking process reversed.

S.A. 1062 – undocumented amendment to S.1867 proposed by Senator Rand Paul (son of Representative and 2012 Republican Presidential candidate Ron Paul). Tabled.

S.A. 1063 – undocumented amendment to S.1867 proposed by Senator Rand Paul. Tabled.

S.A. 1064 – Amendment to bill S.1867 to officially end the Iraq War, backed by Senator Rand Paul. Did not pass 30-67.


I think the confusion here is that Rep. Ron Paul was openly making criticisms about S.1867 during all this.


S.A.'s 1107 - 1113, S.A.'s 1153 - 1154, S.A. 1331 - undocumented amendments to S.1867 proposed by Senator Mark Udall . Tabled.

S.A. 1125 - Amendment to bill S.1867 sponsored by Senator Dianne Sen Feinstein (co-sponsored by Sen. Udall), to clarify the applicability of requirements for military custody with respect to detainees. Did not pass 45 - 55.

S.A.1126 - Amendment to bill S.1867 sponsored by Senator Dianne Sen Feinstein (co-sponsored by Sen. Udall), to limit the authority of the Armed Forces to detain citizens of the United States under section 1031. Did not pass 45 - 55.

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S.1253 – an earlier version of S.1867 again backed by Levin and McCain. Left in Congressional limbo/tabled in June 2011 and re-written into S.1867.


Clear as mud? Clear as mud.

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So basically the bill in general is overwhelmingly favoured but the particular provision for arresting American citizens less so; so either the amendment goes or the whole bill does.


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Ok, I need to get more informed on stuff like this, so give me a tutorial. I can't easily find SA 1062 to see what it said or where it passed. I also don't see where Bill S1867 passed. And how does it relate to S1253? I'm so confused.


Okay, I've been Lurky McLurkerson lately (I'll be around a lot more in coming months, I promise) but I couldn't walk away from a request for a tutorial on how to find legislative materials! OMG! I have a professional responsibility here!

So!

In the US, the federal government makes the full text of bills (including all amendments) available through the Library of Congress' "Thomas" website at thomas.loc.gov. Most legislative materials can be found here by bill number or by keyword by searching in the box in the middle of the screen on the home page. The default is set to the current congress, but you can look up bills from old sessions as well (back to the 1990's), by changing the defaults. It's pretty self-explanatory to my mind, the most confusing thing is trying to figure out what "congress" number = what year. I always just look at the current year's number (this is the 112th Congress) and then count backwards.

Once you've found your bill and clicked on it in the search results, it'll take you to a screen with a laughably old-fashioned table with a lot of different hyperlinks - the two most useful are the "All Information (except text)" and the "Text of Legislation" links.

The first tells you everything that's happened with the bill so far, and if there's another similar bill in the other house. Bills are often introduced in the House and Senate at the same time, then all the amendments from both houses are worked out in committee.

The "Text of Legislation" link shows you all the different versions of the bill - by corresponding the bill version dates with the dates on the legislative history, you can tell who added what information when. This is irritating, but isn't usually that hard, unless it's a budget bill. Budget bills are hundreds of pages long, go through a million changes during the legislative process, have all kinds of riders added, and are a pain in the ass to research. Happily, only one passes per year.

Most bills die in committee (the committee just doesn't pass it back to the main body for voting), or they may pass one house but can't make it through the other. And, of course, the president can veto things. Only about 4% of bills become laws, which is why there isn't a ton of reporting on these issues until they reach a stage where they're in serious danger of getting passed, or unless they're so crazy-pants that the news media can't resist talking about it.

Most states have adopted the same system for passing legislation, and most (possibly all?) states have websites that are like smaller, less powerful versions of "Thomas."


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I saw Walker on the History channel a few hours ago!

He was a dinosaur expert on the new show: History of the World in Two Hours.

Too Cool!


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Does anyone else feel like it's just the boring bit in a film before the good stuff starts? It's like a countdown until Christmas...

but it feels like I'm waiting for things to get interesting!


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Let us drink, for we must die~
 
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We should MAKE it interesting!

*declares Christmas comes early*


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But I don't have everything wrapped yet!



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We should MAKE it interesting!

*declares Christmas comes early*




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We should MAKE it interesting!

*declares Christmas comes early*


Do put your trousers back on.


Nah. Mark's playing Santa this year. It'll make things more interesting.
 
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where the hell is the posting while drunk thread? I'm TOO DRUNK TO LOOK FOR IT!!


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I know exactly what you're feeling, hon, anxiety attacks are really hard. Let me know if there's anything I can do.


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You are a Bookholder. To prompt, or...LINE! (not to prompt) --not to prompt. That is the question. Whether t'is nobler to suffer the slings and arrows of a bad memory, or to take arms against a sea of textual deviations, and...LINE! (by opposing) --by opposing them...LINE! (end) --end...LINE! (them) --end them...LINE! (to prompt, to correct; no more; and by a correction to say we end the heart-ache of a really terrible performance) You didn't have to give me the whole thing! I know it!
 
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fuck's sake. my next door but one neighbours are so loud i can hear them through a whole nother house!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

and the other neighbours are just as loud. i fucking hate both sets. specially on a day when i would value nothing more than just being able to fall asleep and wipe out the pain.


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fuck's sake. my next door but one neighbours are so loud i can hear them through a whole nother house!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!



One good thing about the bitter Minnesota cold, it keeps the loud smelly drunks inside and docile for a season.
 
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