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Doesn't everyone wish that Neil was more prolific? No...wait, I'm broke already trying to buy everything that man writes... oh, well.

Bear~ I like your attitude. When everyone tells you off, thank them for their responses. Bravo.I usually get scared and hide under a rug.
 
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thanks for the kind words.

Little tip here; a very wise woman once told me: in a conversation tell the other person at least once that they are RIGHT about something and then continue one. What a willingness to hear your points and to be into the conversation youll see.

we like to be right. But that woman also told me: always think to yourself, I COULD be wrong.
 
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I honestly think that his latter writing has been aimed more at the mainstream than writing what Neil wants to right. I'm not sure whether its a conscious effort or people around him pointing him in that direction. I think he wants to move from a "cult" writer to a more celebrated one.

but its my opinion

 
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Originally posted by robbiez666:
I honestly think that his latter writing has been aimed more at the mainstream than writing what Neil wants to right. I'm not sure whether its a conscious effort or people around him pointing him in that direction. I think he wants to move from a "cult" writer to a more celebrated one.

but its my opinion

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I could almost agree, robbie, if it weren't for the intellectual capacity needed to read American Gods. I think American Gods is great, and Neil attempting to be mainstream while still writing about what interests him, but some of my (perfectly lovely, nice) friends will never read it all the way through because it is too much for them. I suppose you could call it "mainstream for readers". I'm probably a poor one to be giving an opinion on this topic, though, cause I LOVE Neverwhere, I think it is the most wonderful book ever, and Neil himself isn't too happy with that book! razz
 
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In the end I was a bit disappointed already with American Gods (redoing some of what he did in Sandman from a slightly different angle, possibly more adult, possibly more mainstream, but recycling things in any case) but seeing as Coraline had been promoted as a children's book I had less expectations for it. I'm still not exactly sure what to think about it, just "is", not bad but not particularly world-changing great either. Another friend of mine loved it, though. The button-eyed dolls in the windows of Foyles are cooler if you ask me. razz Those I liked straight off. I'll have to wait and see if hearing him read it out loud next Thursday (my birthday! Wheeeee! *happy bounces* ) will change my opinions of it to the better, for now it's relatively neutral to me.

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Nyks said what id been trying to say.

When I said that neils work is sliding downard in quality, i meant that american gods was sort of a re-hashing of a lot of the stuff in sandman. Forgotten gods and the like. And I dont feel that coraline is that strong.

coraline is like a b-side to a great a-side single of music, only we didnt get the a-side. So I guess I havent been excited about a gaiman work for quite a while frown
 
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Well, about Coraline and her father's meals... she's a kid, and kids like pizaa and hot dogs and the prepared stuff, not home made fine food. I was like that, most kids are.


I disagree. I HATE hotdogs and rarely eat pizza. But then again, I'm known as the geek/weirdo in my school... Wink


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(I think I missed this thread the first time around.)

The discussion of what the reader can and cannot be expected to know, and the fact that Coraline was written for children, made me think of an article by Neil's good friend, British fantasy author Diana Wynne Jones, who was reflecting on the first book she'd written aimed at adults instead of children:

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I found myself thinking as I wrote, "These poor adults are never going to understand this; I must explain it to them twice more and then remind them again later in different terms." Now this is something I never have to think when I write for younger readers. Children are used to making an effort to understand. They are asked for this effort every hour of every school day and, though they may not make the effort willingly, they at least expect it ...

At first I thought [this] was my own assumption, based on personal experiences. Once when I was doing a signing, a mother came in with her nine-year-old son and berated me for making The Homeward Bounders so difficult. So I turned to the boy to ask him what he didn't understand. "Oh, don't listen to her," he said. "I understood everything. It was just her that didn't" ...

This makes an absurd situation. Here we have books for children, which a host of adults dismiss as puerile, over-easy, and are no such thing; and there we have books for adults, who might be supposed to need something more advanced and difficult, which we have to write as if the readers were simple-minded.


- Article from The Medusa

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