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Any idea what desire's vendetta is? Is there one volume that I'm missing in which that's alluded to, or something like that? It seems to me that it centers around how a part of her had to become the second Despair after the first one dies, as in Brief Lives at one part she talks about her oath to make Dream spill family blood, and then you see them holding hands... So perhaps Dream had some small part to play in having Desire's twin fulfill Despair's role?
 
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In the story "Three Septembers and a January" (I believe that's a name), Desire, Delerium, and Despair make a wager with Dream. Desire loses and swears to take revenge on Dream. This is the only time in the series that Desire places a vendetta on Dream.

In Endless Nights is where Dream first gets angry at Desire.
 
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But I always thought it came from far earlier than that... I always thought it was just they didn't get along, and having eternity to hate your brother, you can become very bitter indeed.
Dream is all about rules and duty, which is the opposit of Desire, who is follow your heart, do as you feel like. Also, I always thought it was a bit of a paradox that the king of dreams, something so intangible and weird, was so obsessed with norms. Maybe Desire was fed up with this too, with seeing the potential of an Endless caged within his own cell.

 
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I view Desire as a prankster like character or like that one annoying person in your life who thinks you like them or are their friend. Desire does whatever it wants and whatever amuses it. It's not evil, it just does whatever it wants/likes.

Dream felt betrayed and possibly somewhat envious of how free Desire seems. Desire thinks that Dream should lighten up.

I don't think Desire meant to deeply hurt Dream when it did what it did in Endless Nights. It was obeying it's function which can sometimes be cruel.
 
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I think that Desire's threat in three septembers and a january counts for a lot, as it is at least partly Desire's fault that SPOILER Dream dies. Then again, Lucifer vows to destroy him as well, and in a way, he does. But Desire is also a cruel thing (just ask us single virgins) which is at the root of the disagreement between Dream and Desire. Desire treats mortals as her playthings; Dream realizes that the Endless are the servants of other beings. Of course, Desire is a bitter, mean being, as she (I call it she because were I to see Desire, it would be the most beautiful woman in the world) makes clear right before meeting with Daniel for the first time in The Wake.

Relax, you fiends! I'm only joking.
 
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For some psychoanalyst, Dreams are the 'realisation' of unfulfilled desire.

Once became realized, you loose desire...

Sorry for the poor English, what i want to say is, probably desire hate is brother because in a way, he make her 'disapear'...
 
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In Endless Nights, Desire first says that her realm is more or less the opposite of dreaming, and then goes on to say that Dream's stories are all about people wanting things. I think she/he sees Dream as something like a colonial power impinging on her realm; dreams and narrative organize, order, or tame wild desire.
 
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I think dream's story in endless night's touched on why they are not close. It had a lot to do with Desire being themself, and Dream having too much pride (as usual).
 
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*walks in with a hand over her eyes*
Please can I ask everybody, in the future, to add a "XXX spoilers" tag either on the topic name or the first lines of the post (where XXX is the name of the piece of work you're commenting)? I didn't know you were talking about Endless Nights until well into the thread and I still haven't got it, and I almost had an attack but luckily I didn't.
thank you very much for your attention.
*turns round, bumps into wall, bumps into door, finally succeeds and leaves*

 
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