I was thinking about the movie "Dogma" today, and then about Good Omens, and then all other sorts of Kevin Smith/Neil Gaiman connections popped up. Most notably that one, and the fact that Smith is a total comic book geek.
Here's my question to the board:
Does anyone who's been reading Neil's journals/interviews/etc. longer than I have know if he's ever commented on any of this?

Well, there was this in Neil's blog in 2003:

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Hi Neil...

Just browsing IMDB and saw that you were credited with a "special thanks" for Dogma. As a big fan of your books and of this movie, I just had to know what the connection was...?

Jaimie

I'm not completely sure. I think it's a polite way of saying thank you, because Kevin found some inspiration in Sandman and Good Omens.

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I wouldn't be surprised at all if Neil and Kevin had met, them being at the same cons all the time, but I don't recall anything specific. The only other crossing I recall right now is that Neil's short story Only The End Of The World Again was adapted to comic form and published by Oni Press, owned by Smith

Neil used Sandman to adapt old, obscure DC characters in ways that were original and respectful

Kevin Smith used Green Arrow to make Stanley and his Monster, and old humor comic, into something involving forced cannablism and child slavery. then he threw in some Neil style angels, 'cause he could

sorry... i read Quiver once. it pissed me off so much with its nastiness that i bring it up on every Kevin Smith thread. his movies are cool, though

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Originally posted by The Lord of Nothings:
it pissed me off so much with its nastiness that i bring it up on every Kevin Smith thread. his movies are cool, though

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nope. Or, at least, none of the threads in which you did still exist on this board. I checked. You did mention the cannibalism thing once, but not that it bugged you.

So, what bugged you so much? Neil has certainly drasticly changed old characters people barely remember; why did Smith's changes annoy you so?

because Neil's changes either a. didn't fundemtally change the characters or b. had a point
Like... Element Girl. Sure, some fans might have been annoyed at what she did, but it was a seriously touching story that wasn't used to score cheap points. Prez Rickard was always a joke... Neil actually took him seriously. can't really comment on the yellow Kirby Sandman, though

but Stanley and His Monster... all I know about the character is that it was a humor comic fondly remembered by some people. so what does Smith do? he makes them prisoners of a dirty old man who's been keeping them in a cage and feeding kids to Stanley so the Monster will eventually flip out... and there's something involving the man doing this so he can be young again and rape the 15 year old prostitute who's been Green Arrow's sidekick throughout the whole adventure

it just left a bad taste in my mouth... it felk *yucky* in some way. not fun, but really slimy, and there didn't seem to be any real point to any of it besides bringing back Green Arrow and setting up a cool Demon moment

I enjoyed Kevin Smiths Daredevil run....

And yeah i was amused by the reference to Neil at the end of Dogma too...

I didn't think that the two of them had met though.

Only ever read one Tpb of Green Arrow and it was a kevin smith one so i can't really comment there.

is it the one i mean? Quiver?

maybe, it's hard to remember, i don't remember canibalism...just someone getting shot in the head.

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Originally posted by GMZoe:


I wouldn't be surprised at all if Neil and Kevin had met, them being at the same cons all the time, but I don't recall anything specific. The only other crossing I recall right now is that Neil's short story Only The End Of The World Again was adapted to comic form and published by Oni Press, owned by Smith

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I don't think Smith "owns" Oni, or at least he didn't. Oni was started by one of the Dark Horse editors who left to publish different stuff. Kevin Smith owns his View Askew imprint and I asume he has an agreement with Oni to publish his imprint.

I've enjoyed the Kevin Smith movies I've seen (Clerks, Mallrats, Chasing Amy), but, to me,they seem lacking in depth. I haven't read enough of his comics to comment on them.

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I looked it up and you are correct sir. My mistake!

Oh my God, Kevin Smith is totally a comic book geek that thinks he can say any damn curse word and make people laugh each time he does I hate Kevin Smith, he's funny, but he's an asshole

Neil and Kevin do have some in common I like to think that Kevin tries to pitty himself for Neil while he [Neil] just grins and laughs at a pathetic fan

nick, smith's humor is much more coarse, but just because something is different, doesn't make it lesser. Heck, even if it is lesser, it doesn't mean it's worthless either! smith definatly has a tallent, and it goes beyond a curse word and a gay joke

That's a pretty harsh comment on Kevin Smith. I think he's done some really good work, I just love Dogma, I've watched it like 10 times. Jersey Girl was sweet and also kind of above average movie. I'm sure Neil doesn't think Smith is a pathetic fan (aren't we all btw?). It's rather cool that he's a comics geek and a fan.

Kevin Smith is good at what he does. He's a pretty good writer. I love Dogma and I love Good Omens probably because although they have similarities, they're told in a completely different style and are both effective.

He's also got some range (though I hope he develops it more one day). His Daredevil run was a page-turning killer and Quiver was a good read.

I don't know Neil but from reading his blog I can't imagine him laughing maliciously at a pathetic fan. There didn't seem to be anything mean-spirited in his smile when he signed my copy of Anansi Boys.

Isn't Kevin Smith the guy who plays Silent Bob?

Yeah, that's him. He also directed the movie and I think has writing credits too.

Don't honestly get into comics myself, I am into novels. So I can't really comment here.

I'd say it's kind of late for that, then I realize we're talking about the novel Good Omens and the movie Dogma.

CONGRATULATIONS, Chimeer, YOU'RE THE LUCKY WINNER for making me look like a bloody asshole on each of these boards!!!
Damn, I am really hated on these boards which is sad because I find the posters here much more smart than the ones on other message boards

Uhm I only answered to posts of yours twice and the first time I was only pointing out that you had read wrong what others were saying. Just because I disaggree with you it doesn't mean I imply you're an AH. Nor that I hate you (I can only speak for myself).