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I love this book, it took my away, deep inside the book. i read it in an afternoon!!!

one thing that left me frustrated, and i might of made a mistake here. but....why was Bods family killed? what was the reason??? there must of been a major reason for a group of Jacks who have been killing certain people for thousands of years. i felt that this area was not really explored within the story. These evil jacks are people linked to the after life, and they killed bod's family. Then bods found the graveyard. i don't think this was fate. it was ment to be but why???

there must be a reason for Bod's real family to be singled out??

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i suspect that reading it so fast may be why you missed something. try it again, but a bit slower?


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Limertilly: A pagan deity forgotten by man and therefore banished to the realms of memory and darkness now remembered by a young girl in downtown L.A. in the form of a dream and therefore freed to reap your revenge on the people who discarded you, thereby forcing said girl to learn to use her innate yet awesome powers as a soothsayer to gather forces of the Earth to defy you and once more banish you to your cold, cold prisoooooon

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thanks, but that was not the reply i was looking for.......
 
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er, it is explained, so Limertilly's advice isn't so far off the mark. Or do you not mind spoilers?


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mmmmm, no i don't mind spoilers. i can not believe i missed it, so what is the reason then?
 
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Spoiler alert!

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Just a bit down from here!

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No, really, it's a spoiler, and a biggun!

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Sure you want to read it?

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Okay, can't say I didn't warn you.

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Oh, right, the actual spoiler. The Jacks have various mystical powers, one of which is predicting the future. They mention that one of their prophecies pinpointed that a member of Jack's family would be the cause of their end. There's a line something like, "Before Babylon we were moving against your family" or somesuch. It turns out that the family member who'd end them is Bod himself.


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yes i remember that bit, but that still does not make sense. Why do the Jacks pinpoint Bods family in the first place. There must be a past for the Jack's to act on finding Bod's family to kill them.
I think this part of the story is very unclear. There is no real reason why Bod's family were chosen to be killed. All we know is that the Jacks have been killing people since time began, why??? we do not know this. We know that Silas is a protector against these sorts of people/groups. Bod does not have any powers of his own. The power was given to him once he became member of the graveyard. Then the power is taken away from him as he is now an adult.

Does anyone know the reason?
 
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... The Jacks have various mystical powers, one of which is predicting the future. They mention that one of their prophecies pinpointed that a member of Bods's family would be the cause of their end. There's a line something like, "Before Babylon we were moving against your family" or somesuch. It turns out that the family member who'd end them is Bod himself.


Which is why they were after Bod's family!

The Jacks have not just been killing people, they have been killing Bod's Family.

and the powers were taken away from him because he no longer needed the protection of the graveyard, the Jack's were gone.


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SPOILERS! SPOILERS! SPOILERS!



To me, it's one of those wibbly, wobbly, timey-wimey conundrums.

Bod destroyed the Jacks. (With the help of Silas, but they were destroyed because of Bod.)

So the Jacks' prophesy that someone in Bod's family would destroy the Jacks was correct. But the REASON the Jacks were destroyed by Bod was because they killed his family and were trying to kill him. In other words, if there was no prophesy about the Jacks being destroyed, it wouldn't have set into motion all the things that caused the Jacks to be destroyed. Now, I suppose it is possible that, had the Jacks not killed Bod's family, Bod could have still ended up destroying the Jacks in some different way. I guess we'll never know. But I found it interesting that it was the Jacks' efforts to avoid being destroyed that caused them to be destroyed.

Moral of the story: avoid prophesies at all cost! Wink


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self-fulfilling prophecies are a bitch. just ask Oedipus.

but the reason the Jacks were after Bod's family was that a prophecy told them that Bod's family would bring down the Jacks' organization, and they didn't want that to happen. in order to prevent the prophecy from coming true, they tried to wipe out the family that threatened them. in so doing, they created the circumstances in which Bod could fight them and destroy their organization.

hopefully, between the lot of us, we've phrased that in a way that makes sense to you.


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yep yep and yep......

i understand all that very well. i thought there should of been more depth with this. i mean the last few chapters are all about the Jacks. we learn very little about them about them. we know Silas are killing them around the world. however we learn nothing about the whole all deal. This whole prophecy thing is very thin indeed. Don't get me wrong i loved the book. I just felt the whole book was working towards a goal, building up to Bod's killers.

The line you are all quoting reveals nothing. It suggests that Bods has some sort of powers himself, or his family have???? at its just by chance that he found the graveyard??? all these little elements can not just be a coincidence. to make a story believable even in fantasy there has to be a solid background.
I love that we don't really know who or what is Salis, But the Jacks need more depth and we need to feel a conclusion to understand what world/ life Bods is going into, once he leaves the graveyard.
 
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sigh.

I do think a sequal is in order. Perhaps furthering the Jacks, since they're certainly not all done for, and it's almost a promise that Silas is to ask Bod for help some day.

By the way, for those not as in depth with the dark creatureses as others: Silas was a vampire. And whatsherface was a werewolf. There were a few other creatures of the night (muahahahahaha!) that I'd never met before reading the Graveyard Book, but I'll assume that like most of Gaiman's characters they were conjured up elsewhere in the past, and merely given one hell of a tale by the Lord of Tales himself.


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I have to admit that I didn't figure out the "Silas is a Vampire" thing until my second time around.

I do think that the self-fulfilling prophesy is a good literary motif and doesn't need to be deeper.


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I wasn't positive he was until it was mentioned that he slept in a box with a covering of dirt on the bottom. 's the kind of vampire I like. Old-style. The whole stake through the heart bit. Long live Dracula!

...ahem...

I agree that it doesn't need to be any more in depth than it was. I would also agree that American Gods could have gone without the short story sequal or Anansi Boys. The Terminator didn't NEED a Judgement Day, Batman didn't NEED a Dark Knight... so forth. I just felt like I wanted more of them all by the end. I'm rarely ever completely satisfied until the main character dies, and this book, or a sequal therein, is the perfect opportunity to do so *merrily.*


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Well, I'll say that the self-fulfilling prophesy thing wasn't my favorite part of the book. After all the build up to finding out why his family was killed, it wasn't as satisfying as I hoped. But I enjoyed the book so much I didn't really care by that point.

I don't really think there needs to be a sequel -- the book stands pretty well on its own.


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Is it a sign that I read far too much of this genre that I never questioned what Silas was or wosshername being a werewolf?

After just one read (and I frequently need more than one) I preferred Coraline. This will likely change. Smile


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It's interesting. You see, I knew what Silas was throughout most of the book, but Miss Lupescu took a little more time to figure out.


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Soon as the dog was mentioned running through the graveyard I knew what she was. I think I'll have to go through the book and pick out all the other crittures now.


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First of all, I loved this book.

However, I have a different "what was the reason" question.

Why is it that Scarlett when she returns to the graveyard at 15 can at different points Dreamwalk, see Nod when Faded, and see as the dead do (reading a newspaper). Yet shortly thereafter she can't do any of these things (like down with the Sleer where she needs the LED light).

Is this inconsistancy, something I missed, or something that will probably be covered in a Second Graveyard Book.

... er of course that leads to the question of whether or not there is any word of a Second Graveyard Book?


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