Then another Slayer should have been activated! Although maybe Faith counts as the "active" slayer and so Buffy can die without another one being called...

the phrase I was kind of remembering (maybe badly) is a speech Xander gives on Season 8 to the Potentials, when they're all bitchy and complaint-y, he says something like "The girl's died 3 times and she's still standing".
Unles she says "twice" and my memory sucks.

Man, I so need to get some Buffy goodness...

it sounds like she was shot and died a third time.

but i think you're right about faith being *the* slayer, otherwise her dying to save dawn would have activated another slayer.

I would have loved if they include dthat in the episodes... Faith bragging baout being THE Chosen One; Buffy moping in denial, then holding on pathetically to her status, then quitting altogetehr and finally having an epiphany before declaring "I don't care if I'm THE Slayer or not. I don't play by the rules anymore".
<cut>

Daaa, dahdahdaah....
da-daaah, daa dah-daaah....

Ok, I need food.

oddly, that is sorta how I felt the character developed naturally. After the other Slayer got activated the first time, Buffy was no longer in the loop. If she died, then there was already another Slayer to take her place, but when the other slayer died and Faith got activated, it seemed to me that the point was Buffy now stood outside the lineage.

She was the Slayer without a cause, or more likely, the Slayer without an obligation to the Watchers or whatever the Slayer Spell was in the first place. In the end, she did become an independent person who followed her own heart when it came to what the Slayer was and what she had to do.

And in doing so, she freed the other Slayers so they could achieve their potential without the deaths of others.

The interesting thing for me is that one of the elements of being a Slayer was that you got the memories of the other Slayers. It's obvious that the Slayers share some sort of telepathic connection, but was that ever really explored or developed?

Incidentally, the official fanwank, from the man himself, is that Buffy's first and second deaths counted for extra because they were caused by supernatural forces, while the bullet was purely mundane. Which is a stupid fanwank and beneath him, but I've long since absolved him of absolute responsibility for season six. He was busy making the best science fiction show ever.

I agree, J.C., that Buffy's "death" definitely changed her destiny, or her place within the greater destiny of the universe.

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Incidentally, the official fanwank, from the man himself, is that Buffy's first and second deaths counted for extra because they were caused by supernatural forces, while the bullet was purely mundane. Which is a stupid fanwank and beneath him, but I've long since absolved him of absolute responsibility for season six. He was busy making the best science fiction show ever.

Yeah, that does sound like a spur of the moment alternative to "I don't know." The whole reason Willow couldn't resurrect her girlfriend was that she died a "mundane death." So how does she bring Buffy back right after that from the same sort of death, ya know?

On the other hand, there was a big difference between the world of Buffy before and after Season three. I felt the later seasons did not have as consistent supernatural rules, in general, even though I still liked the show until the 7th season.

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The whole reason Willow couldn't resurrect her girlfriend was that she died a "mundane death." So how does she bring Buffy back right after that from the same sort of death, ya know?

You could argue that Buffy was no longer human after she'd bene brought back from the dead the second time round (after all, Spike does get to attack her, which he shouldn't be able to do); or that WIllow got so incredibly more powerful at that point...

But I don't really know, and I can't remember that season very much as I only watched it once.


The supernatural rules were, overall, fairly consistent for what's standard for these things on TV, I think. But even from the start it wasn't that consistent, when I was watching allt he stuff about Angel's curse I was thinking "This just doesn't make any sense", the same when he was brought back... But yeah, it much a much simpler world, as it gets more complicated I suppose you can't control the rules as well as before... (ANd that's another wonderful parallele ebtween Bufyf and the real world, yay!)

but that was one of the things i loved about Buffy. It wasn't the rules that were important, it was the characters, and fidelity to them, and their internal and emotional lives.

And at least they tried to make rules and keep to them, and when not they'd generally offer some explanation, and when that explanation was ridiculous, they said so too.

(One of my favourite moments:
Someone: But why can't we [do something to kill the monster of the episode that]?

Gile: Because it's a mystical demon from outer space!! <pause> I did not just say that.
)

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ANd that's another wonderful parallele ebtween Buffy and the real world, yay!

i have a strange urge to put that in my signature, its fabulous.

i think with buffy i just feel so familiar with the characters and the style of the thing that even watching episodes i don't really like, i still kind of love it. Which is why i really want to watch season 7 again at some point, even though i remember thinking it was pants, just cos i care about what happens to the characters. And with the comic, yeah waiting for the tpb i think. is encouraging to hear good things about it tho, has anyone read the firefly comics?

(If you do, feel free to correct the atrocious typing...)

Haven't read the FIrefly comics. I've heard that the action in them happens ebtween the series and the film, is that right? And, mos timportantly, does Joss write them?

thats what i've heard and i think he does write them yes, its on my list of things to buy when and if i ever have a disposable income again.

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Originally posted by cloverheart:
(One of my favourite moments:
Someone: But why can't we [do something to kill the monster of the episode that]?

Gile: Because it's a mystical demon from outer space!! <pause> I did not just say that.
)

Killer snot monster from outer space, i think.

That's the one, Murph. So much better than waht I remembered.... (which is why watching them over and over again is always so good...)

yeah... its the show that keeps on giving.

last year i watched the lot from series one through 7.

Took more than 6 months, but worth it for the growth.

*drools*

it's the great thing of having mates who buy all the dvds, too! i didn't have to purchase em!