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i adored Asterix and still do - loved little dogmatix and the bard that can't sing cacophonix.


hmm i wonder what my asterix name would be....

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as for 'racial stereotyping' How many of you base your opinion of Rome and Italians on the characters in an Asterix book? How about the French - do we see them all as Obelisk or the chief? No. simply because its just a fun story to read as a kid and shouldn't be seen as anything more. (I don't know any of the later books by just the one author btw.)


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as for 'racial stereotyping' How many of you base your opinion of Rome and Italians on the characters in an Asterix book? How about the French - do we see them all as Obelisk or the chief? No. simply because its just a fun story to read as a kid and shouldn't be seen as anything more. (I don't know any of the later books by just the one author btw.)


Just because we're smart enough to know better and not base our views of other cultures on Asterix doesn't make it OK. I wouldn't want my kids to watch Song of the South either.
It's not a question of whether it will inform anybody's worldview, more of a slight discomfort at what seems to be a reflection of a very pervasive opinion in French media (mostly a few decades ago) of the inherent superiority of the French people and culture. Similarly, it seems to have faded away now, but when I was growing up, it was perfectly OK for French comedians to tell national stereotype-based jokes on prime-time national TV.


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Similarly, it seems to have faded away now, but when I was growing up, it was perfectly OK for French comedians to tell national stereotype-based jokes on prime-time national TV.


For the record, they still do, and being right in the middle of a national debate set up by our beloved *cough* president about National Identity and why we should be proud to be French and everyone else stinks, I wouldn't really say it has faded away... Frown

As for Asterix, I think the thing with Goscinny is that he never completely grew up and kept seing the world with a child's eye all his life (something I see as a gift, somehow).

That's why I consider his use of stereotypes far less offensive than Uderzo's in the latest books, because Uderzo's are closer to adult xenophobia than to childish amusement about, let's say, British people adding a "cloud of milk" to their mug of "hot water".

The main problem today with Goscinny's work, which I love, is that it had so much success that it keeps being reused and adapted by grown-ups. And, sadly, the kind of grown-ups who think what made his stories funny was that he was flouting other people's differences.

Which leads to an amazing amount of bad books and baaaaaad movies.


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Heh. I guess I am sadly misinformed due to distance.


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As for Asterix, I think the thing with Goscinny is that he never completely grew up and kept seing the world with a child's eye all his life (something I see as a gift, somehow).

That's why I consider his use of stereotypes far less offensive than Uderzo's in the latest books, because Uderzo's are closer to adult xenophobia than to childish amusement about, let's say, British people adding a "cloud of milk" to their mug of "hot water".

The main problem today with Goscinny's work, which I love, is that it had so much success that it keeps being reused and adapted by grown-ups. And, sadly, the kind of grown-ups who think what made his stories funny was that he was flouting other people's differences.

Which leads to an amazing amount of bad books and baaaaaad movies.


Yes. I think that sums it up perfectly.


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I've seen these in my local shop. Unsure if they're the new or reprints of old? Anyway, I was recommended them to read with M, as I'm always looking for children's comic books. Sounds like this might not be exactly the right way to go, though, with the racial stereotypes and all.


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I've seen these in my local shop. Unsure if they're the new or reprints of old? Anyway, I was recommended them to read with M, as I'm always looking for children's comic books. Sounds like this might not be exactly the right way to go, though, with the racial stereotypes and all.


by the sounds of it, you're okay to get the earlier ones, but discuss the steriotypes with her?


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I think I'll stick with Tiny Titans Smile and I plan to start reading Bone with her this winter.


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I wouldn't deprive a child of asterix just because of the racial steriotypes....

Seriously they are awesome books, my childhood wouldn't have been the same without them and tin tin (Tin tin is way worse for racial steriotypes!)

And since Tin Tin is about to hit the screens and become no doubt another hollywood blockbuster, I am rather wondering how they will deal with that aspect of the books.

Read through one from the library first and see if you would be okay with her reading it? I loved asterix and cleopatra, and asterix and the 12 tasks is a retell of the hercules myth.
 
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(Tin tin is way worse for racial steriotypes!)


damn, Tintin au Congo. That was the worst.
Tintin au pays des Soviets was GREAT, though. I have a first edition of that book stashed away at my dad's house. Probably worth a bunch.


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BTW, Tintin in China - Blue Lotus, was it? - is one where Hergé actually addresses these issues (because he had been introduced to a Chinese student and they struck up a fast friendship).


I don't speak French; but I bought three Asterix books in Estonia, and yes, they're great for brushing up your language skills. Big Grin


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