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really is wicked Member |
I'd imagine that wizards are not unlike normal muggles in choosing sides born out of fear. So, there may have been a Hufflepuff or a Ravenclaw who was a Death Eater (can't ever see a Griffendore being one, but you never know) because they'd been driven to it. Much like how Mr Lovegood sold Harry et all out to save his daughter. And the epilogue got me thinking that Hogwarts must be a very confusing school now, name wise. I mean, there's got to be a large mass of children named after various heroes of the Battle of Hogwarts, and I am willing to bet that a large persentage of the boys are called Harry! And, another general Potter world observation: It seams very sad that not only did Harry loose his parents, he's also lost both sets of grandparents and most of James Potter's extended family too! Most unfortunate.... And weird too, considering Sirius Black gets to be related to Belatrix Lestrange, the Tonks family and the Malfoys (I think). And one last annoying thought: Everyone must wander around with large buldges in their pockets. The ammount of time Harry stuffs his Invisibility Cloak in his pocket!!! I mean, that's not light-weight silk I'd imagine. It has to have some kind of weight to it to cover them effectivly so that's some hefty material he's wandering around with..... (Ginny: Is that your invisibility cloak in your pocket or are you pleased to see me?!) And, I defy any girl to stuff her purse in her sock like Hermoine does in the Malfoy's house, and for it not to be noticed! And yes, I have to agree, the bits where Harry is a dumbass do tend to drag a bit! ----------------------------- St.Barbarella: Sexy Tart. Buys Ale, Reads Books, And Really Enjoys Leaving Lovers Aching - JP yes, University is all about incontinence - Mythos You are a Tradesman. Long before labor unions, your guilds were powerful enough to make a free-market capitalist run away screaming. Who controls the British Crown? Who keeps the metric system down? You do, you do. |
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I thought it was Hagrid who said that to Harry about the house of Slytherin. Anyway, he was most likely incorrect as well as exagerating, anyway. For one thing, at the time, he believed Sirius Black to be a dark wizard, and he was in Gryffindor. Also, Peter Pettigrew was probably not in Slytherin.
I think that was just over-simplification on the part of whoever said it in the first book. Setting up biases for later books. ................................ Swing it, Brother, Swing. |
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One fourth sounds about right for that sort of thing. If you're bloodthirsty enough, once you get power, it seems pretty easy to disrupt and intimidate people who might otherwise be willing to oppose you.
Yeah, I was actually a little disappointed to see patronuses (patronii?) being used as messengers in this book (I can't remember if they'd been used that way before.) Seemed to cheapen the idea a bit. |
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Epilogue update via JK Rowling's interview on the TODAY Show:
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Yay! I'd forgotten what a good storyteller Rowling is. I kept forgetting I was "just reading".
One major question: What's with the scabby moaning toddler in that faux train station where Harry talks to Dumbledore? Can someone explain that to me? 1) About Snape - I really really like how she resolved that. Because Snape is not a good person. He's a bastard who had one thing he was willing to do everything for - Lily - and that's what he followed through with. But he was also not a traitor and he was never lacking in bravery. It just completely makes sense. And while I felt Harry was a bit saintly in naming his kid after Snape...in a way, it was okay. Snape never got credit for what he did before. And when Snape complained how Dumbledore never told him anything and when he was jealous asked after D's time with Harry...maybe Harry also felt they shared something on a human level for the first time? 2) Dumbledore - the way he was portrayed fit to how his role was changing in the last book. I wasn't surprised. I like how his crimes were serious enough to be taken seriously but not so serious you start hating him. 3) Kreacher - I loved that part. 4) The mirror thing still didn't really explain why Harry failed to use the mirror in book five and went storming off to the ministry instead. I guess he was just being dumb? 5) All this traipsing round in forests will have to be cut short in the movie. I did really enjoy Ron's moment of heroism when he saves Harry and destroys the Horcrux, though. 6) Poor George! I wonder what happens to him. Rowling seems to have completely forgotten him at the end. He isn't even there when Fred dies. 7) For a book that likes to dwell on warm family values it was amazingly un-trite and un-soppy. I can forgive the epilogue. More when I think of it! __ The brickchewing, camera flaunting restroom saint formerly known as Babylon the Bride |
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I thought that was the bit of Voldemort that had been excised from Harry when Voldemort "killed" him. Though, now that you mention it, I haven't thought too much on it. Maybe I'll re-read that chapter and see if that is still my reaction. ~ . . ~ . . ~ . . ~ . . ~ . . ~ . . ~ . . ~ . . ~ . . ~ . . ~ Weeble Song! Sing along! ~ courtesy Snazzy Snazzypants |
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I liked the Epilogue. All I wanted to see was that Harry finally got to have a normal life. Have a family of his own. There were enough teasers to make you wonder what everyone else was up to. I can totally see Neville being a wonderful professor. I didn't need to know what everyone else was up to. That's a different book. And if she never writes it, it's for our minds to create. I knew Victore was Bill and Fleur's kid. Where did the names for Ron and Hermione's kids come from? Hugo and Rose? I don't remember those names and didn't know if there was any significance.
I really liked Harry standing up to V at the end. He finally grew into a confidence and talked him down instead of lucking into a win. Too many of the books seemed to be luck rather than skill, coincidence rather than planning, guessing rather than understanding. At the end, Harry knew exactly what he was doing. I didn't expect Snape's history, but I knew there would be a twist. When the battle of Hogwarts begins, why does he jump out the window? It seemed a bit cartoony to have a window break with his outline. Did Snape just not want to expose his allegiance yet during the battle? V sent Malfoy to find him and bring him to the tree. Was Snape fighting or hiding? Hrm. I'm Matt Cable and I approve this message. ________________________________________________ I'm alright. Don't nobody worry bout me. |
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Really great video interview w/ JK Rowling here. (the article that OV posted is a summary of the interview)
(I still think Hermione should be headmistress of Hogwarts. And I can't see Ron as an Auror, however, I could see him being in charge of the Quidditch World Cup in some way. And Harry should be the DADA professor emeritus). This message has been edited. Last edited by: Al-RAAR-a, **** “Chives?†“Yes, m’lud?†“Is that Ms Ephemera hovering over the croquet lawn?†“Indeed m’lud. She’s marshalled all the haggle-dans. Missy-twigs and vale-nymphs from Claypole Woods. Apparently she intends to tear this house down and dance on the ruins.†“Well, Chives, you’d better start the car, what? And pack my tennis things too†--- Joe 3Heads |
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The Biscuitkeeper Member ![]() |
That's what I thought too. Before he got his body, he was a wiggling little white thing. Don't remember which book it was in though. I'm Matt Cable and I approve this message. ________________________________________________ I'm alright. Don't nobody worry bout me. |
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Twere the first & second books in which Voldemort was a squawling fetus-beast-- the first, he was a zygot-head thingy, and in the second he was a little embryotic monster-baby.
And now that I come to think of it, it seems like the bit of Voldemort that Harry killed was also symbolic of Harry becoming a man. He literally seperated himself from his childhood/ a child-like Id-thing and was reborn. How very Rite-of-Passage. AND Jesus-tastic. **** “Chives?†“Yes, m’lud?†“Is that Ms Ephemera hovering over the croquet lawn?†“Indeed m’lud. She’s marshalled all the haggle-dans. Missy-twigs and vale-nymphs from Claypole Woods. Apparently she intends to tear this house down and dance on the ruins.†“Well, Chives, you’d better start the car, what? And pack my tennis things too†--- Joe 3Heads |
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Amy mentioned they might be the names of Hermione's parents. Were they ever mentioned? Wonder if they're still living in Austrailia... I'm Matt Cable and I approve this message. ________________________________________________ I'm alright. Don't nobody worry bout me. |
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maybe they broke the mould by not naming them after anyone!
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That's what I thought, Weeble - but Dumbledore clearly states in the very same scene that V. destroyed the bit of himself that was in Harry. It ceased to exist. __ The brickchewing, camera flaunting restroom saint formerly known as Babylon the Bride |
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Also, can somebody explain the great wand switcheroo to me?
Apparently, - Dumbledore had the elder wand when he died - Snape killed him, though actually it was an agreement, so Snape isn't the one to "earn" posession of the wand. - Draco at some point took the wand off Dumbledore and so he was the rightful master? (can't remember the book too well). - the wand itself followed Dumbledore to the grave - Voldemort stole the wand from the grave but he is not its master because he hasn't killed or disarmed Draco. - Harry in this book disarms Draco and takes away Draco's own wand - This, apparently, is enough to mean that the elder wand is now his - because he disarmed its master (albeit with a different wand). Does that make sense?? The elder wand is Harry's because he took away Draco's *other wand*? __ The brickchewing, camera flaunting restroom saint formerly known as Babylon the Bride |
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That's how I took it: it doesn't matter so much that Harry didn't take the Elder Wand from Draco, but that he defeated him in combat while Draco was the rightful 'owner' of the Elder Wand (even if it wasn't in his possession).
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Yeah, that's how I understood it too.
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But but but - I thought the whole point of the elder wand was that you had to kill its previous owner to gain mastery over its fearsome properties!
Besides, look at it that way: The first person who manages to disarm Harry Potter in any context during the rest of his whole frickin' life will be the next owner of the elder wand. Right? And people KNOW he has it. Because he basically told the whole school. __ The brickchewing, camera flaunting restroom saint formerly known as Babylon the Bride |
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This does represent a problem. Harry at the end says that if he dies a peaceful death then the magic of the wand will be broken (kind of like Dumbledore planned to do). But since we've learned that you only have to defeat the owner and not kill him, anytime Harry is disarmed or defeated in combat the wand will pass on. (they'd have to know where to go and get it from the grave to use it however). Now since Harry is an Auror, can we assume that he'll never be defeated in combat? Sure he's great but he can't win all the time. Some dark wizard gets lucky and stuns him, confudles him, binds him etc. and they are the new master? This did seem like an inconsistency in the book. --------------------- Good Dreams don't come cheap, you have to pay for them. |
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Especially since he refuses to actually use the elder wand that would make him (almost) invincible... __ The brickchewing, camera flaunting restroom saint formerly known as Babylon the Bride |
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