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is imperfectly illuminated Member  |
I'm not a fan, but over time i seem to have read a fair number of his books, and most of them congeal into a soggy mass of sameness, but three stand out for me.
Nightwatch - it surprised me by feeling like it was dealing with real characters, and had a doomed feel. I was actually moved by it. Small Gods - much less like his normal milieu, with a classical greek feel of danger and despotism Witches Abroad - just about as good a deconstruction of fairy tales as i've ever read. It's seriously clever, and, again, has elements of darkness and ruthlessness that are unusual. **************** You are a Highwayman. You may not be the right sort of people, in fact, you're most certainly not the right sort of people, but you know them well and are generously committed to lightening their burdens, particularly when it comes to the burdens of their coin purses. |
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Yahr, fear the power of the elf-man! Member  |
I just finished "Making Money" while I was traveling to and fro.
I liked it. It was not a powerful as some of his efforts as far a political or philosophical satire but very enjoyable. A solid read. ------------------------------ my cup runs over but I am so blind I just complain as it spills around me |
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rodentia extraordinarinus Member  |
I really have to read that one - my sister wrote an essay largely concertrating on it's self-awareness and stuff, and I've wanted to read it since! ____________________________________________________ tiny ball of rage. hilarious, condensed rage - Snazz maybe if everyone loved her boobs, we'd either have WW3 or world peace... - Sillypunk I never really lost my virginity... it just sort of eventually wore off - Chris Addison I'm an artiste. With an 'e' and a beret. - Joss Whedon |
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Terry Pratchett is probably the best subversive in fantasy today, better than Neil, better than China Mieville, maybe better than Michael Moorcock. There's this utterly exquisite interplay between story cliches and realistic consequences. It's fantasy for hecklers. When a human is turned into a frog, only Pratchett would ask, where does all the extra mass go?
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Miss Kitty Fantastico Member  |
I haven't re-read Witches Abroad for ages because my copy seems to have gone walkabout. I may have sent it to a friend, I can't remember.
I would have thought the end of the world is everyone's responsibility, wouldn't you? ~Death in Thief of Time Minister of Kraftwerk in the Realm of U & P, Order of the Pineapple with frond for advancement in Nap studies. |
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Oestre sparagmos! Member  |
genius. and bang on the money  ____________________________________________________ Did you know? When it snows, my eyes become large and the light that you shine can't be seen. wanted: someone to listen and respond to random opinions from a random personality. not TOO serious, please. people who think they're reeeeeeeally funny need not apply, because they so rarely are. ~ Limertilly http://www.flickr.com/photos/fionchadd/ - there are actually some photos here now (shock!) |
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Goofy Beast Member  |
You have a point there, but I think it only holds for Pratchett's subversion of fantasy and fairytale clichés, and as such I find it a tad limited. There's only so much fantasy parody you can do before you're basically doing variations on variations on variations on a theme. |
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okay, so in principle, not having seen it yet i can't say i'm happy with most of the casting for The Colour of Magic but...
yesssssssssssssssssssssssss oh, and sfx attended the premier quote from discworld monthly ~ You are an Accomptant. You keep track of the King's accounts, which is a fairly simplish job: his current holdings is always A LOT, and his expected revenue is always MORE. 'Sgood ta be da King. As long as there isn't a peasant uprising, you're likely to keep your head. Also, you're the only one in the office who knows how to use an abbacus. (Or multiply.) (Or add.) I prefer to live in a country that's small, and old, and where no one would ever have the NERVE to wear a cape in public, whether they could leap tall buildings in a single bound or not. |
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Oestre sparagmos! Member |
i saw a poster for this the other day - it was the first i heard about it.
and david jason is on the poster, dressed as a wizard. is he playing rincewind? please please no. if he is i'm not at all happy. he's just not right for the part. ____________________________________________________ Did you know? When it snows, my eyes become large and the light that you shine can't be seen. wanted: someone to listen and respond to random opinions from a random personality. not TOO serious, please. people who think they're reeeeeeeally funny need not apply, because they so rarely are. ~ Limertilly http://www.flickr.com/photos/fionchadd/ - there are actually some photos here now (shock!) |
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i did say i wasn't happy with the casting for rincewind and twoflower didn't i....
~ You are an Accomptant. You keep track of the King's accounts, which is a fairly simplish job: his current holdings is always A LOT, and his expected revenue is always MORE. 'Sgood ta be da King. As long as there isn't a peasant uprising, you're likely to keep your head. Also, you're the only one in the office who knows how to use an abbacus. (Or multiply.) (Or add.) I prefer to live in a country that's small, and old, and where no one would ever have the NERVE to wear a cape in public, whether they could leap tall buildings in a single bound or not. |
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Goofy Beast Member |
Hmm... I always thought Rincewind was much, much younger... I like the idea of Sean Astin as Twoflower, but only if he's directed well. Which, frankly, is unlikely to happen - directing the actors seems to be fairly low on the list of priorities when it comes to such projects.
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Administrator/Colporteur Member  |
Sean does have that "doe-eyed innocent" thing down by the numbers, but it needs to be just so for a good Twoflower.
Pratchett's been hit or miss for me as well, but the Tiffany Aching books are consistently among the best YA and The Night Watch was one of the best books I read that year. __________ AJGraeme "We never do anything, consciously, for the last time, without sadness of heart." -Thomas De Quincey |
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Miss Kitty Fantastico Member |
I really don't understand the logic of doing Colour of Magic, erm... are they incorporating The Light Fantastic as well or what? And yeah, I don't think much of the casting either.
I would have gone with Guards! Guards! or maybe even Moving Pictures. but, nobody asked me! I would have thought the end of the world is everyone's responsibility, wouldn't you? ~Death in Thief of Time Minister of Kraftwerk in the Realm of U & P, Order of the Pineapple with frond for advancement in Nap studies. |
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Surprise Inspector Member  |
i love the tiffany aching books. they're probably my favourite pratchetts. and david jason as rincewind? after he was albert in hogswatch? oh no no no no. that's terribly WRONG.
i always thought of rincewind as being something largely akin to a long streak of piss on the wall, and that's SO not how jason will play him. euch. "Are you a princess? I said & she said I'm much more than a princess, but you don't have a name for it yet here on earth." -Brian Andreas Limertilly: A pagan deity forgotten by man and therefore banished to the realms of memory and darkness now remembered by a young girl in downtown L.A. in the form of a dream and therefore freed to reap your revenge on the people who discarded you, thereby forcing said girl to learn to use her innate yet awesome powers as a soothsayer to gather forces of the Earth to defy you and once more banish you to your cold, cold prisoooooon |
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Don't. Blink. Member  |
Me too! I always had such a crush on Rincewind. I thought he was in his 30s or maybe 40s. ------------------------------ "I claim the capacity to doubt." - Herman Wouk ------------------------------- "They warn you about killers and thieves in night I worry about cancer and living right But my mama never warned me about my own Destructive appetite" - Jenny Lewis "Happy" |
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yes, apparently it's the two. and the next will be going postal! i think i might want somebody else to do guards guards after the hogfather...but perhaps this will still pleasantly suprise. ~ You are an Accomptant. You keep track of the King's accounts, which is a fairly simplish job: his current holdings is always A LOT, and his expected revenue is always MORE. 'Sgood ta be da King. As long as there isn't a peasant uprising, you're likely to keep your head. Also, you're the only one in the office who knows how to use an abbacus. (Or multiply.) (Or add.) I prefer to live in a country that's small, and old, and where no one would ever have the NERVE to wear a cape in public, whether they could leap tall buildings in a single bound or not. |
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Oestre sparagmos! Member |
he is!! i see him as mid-late 20s. kind of post-graduate without actually graduating. and smaug, yes you did, but i was echoing emphatically  i haven't seen hogfather yet - am toying with the idea of whether or not i want to. has anyone seen it? is it good? Colour of magic could be very good visually if they get the special effects right. it has potential i think. just whether or not it works. ____________________________________________________ Did you know? When it snows, my eyes become large and the light that you shine can't be seen. wanted: someone to listen and respond to random opinions from a random personality. not TOO serious, please. people who think they're reeeeeeeally funny need not apply, because they so rarely are. ~ Limertilly http://www.flickr.com/photos/fionchadd/ - there are actually some photos here now (shock!) |
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is imperfectly illuminated Member |
plus electric and agitated and skinny. And David Jason is none of these.
Sean Astin... yeah, that'll do. But isn't the colour of magic a picaresque and episodic thing with no real plot? **************** You are a Highwayman. You may not be the right sort of people, in fact, you're most certainly not the right sort of people, but you know them well and are generously committed to lightening their burdens, particularly when it comes to the burdens of their coin purses. |
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Oestre sparagmos! Member |
very much so. the light fantastic has a more clearly defined plot (well, a start and a finish at any rate) so if they are combining the two then it may make more sense.
____________________________________________________ Did you know? When it snows, my eyes become large and the light that you shine can't be seen. wanted: someone to listen and respond to random opinions from a random personality. not TOO serious, please. people who think they're reeeeeeeally funny need not apply, because they so rarely are. ~ Limertilly http://www.flickr.com/photos/fionchadd/ - there are actually some photos here now (shock!) |
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Miss Kitty Fantastico Member |
But still... CoM and LF are really just the genesis of Discworld and more just a basic parody of SF/Fantasy. I prefer the later books when Discworld evolved a bit.
And I think that David Tennant could do a creditable Rincewind - he already runs a lot on Doctor Who. I wonder what they'll do with the Librarian's transformation. and the Luggage will no doubt be CGI-d. I would have thought the end of the world is everyone's responsibility, wouldn't you? ~Death in Thief of Time Minister of Kraftwerk in the Realm of U & P, Order of the Pineapple with frond for advancement in Nap studies. |
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