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Caveat, the only Wolfe I've read are books 2, 3, and 4 of the New Sun series, and that Sandman short story in an anthology somewhere.
Wolfe has a dry, even tone that's nice, and an admirably clever way with language, but still, what am I missing? Other writers heap exorbitant praise on Wolfe, but I don't get it. Where's the passion, the drama, the fireworks? |
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To be honest, I started reading Gene Wolfe because Neil said his Book of the New Sun was his favorite contemporary sci-fi series. I've read that series and am now reading the Urth of the New Sun right now, and have the Knight on my bookshelf at home.
I really like Wolfe, but it's difficult to explain why. Like you said, Zoneseek, his writing is clever and even, but there aren't a lot of fireworks or passion. There is tons of drama in the Shadow of the Torturer, the first book of the series. And it seems all the books contain moral dilemnas, but do so without banging you over the head. Perhaps that's why other writers (like Neil and Ursula Le Guinn) appreciate him. It seems like Wolfe lets you try and figure a lot of stuff out for yourself instead of just spelling it out for you. (I know I've said it before, but I maintain someone should write some kind of companion to these books.) I'm curious to hear what other people think, as well. ____________________________________________________________________ "Patriotism is defined as the last resort of a scoundrel. With all due respect to an enlightened but inferior lexicographer i beg to submit that it is the first." - Ambrose Bierce ---------------------- A Good Scoundrel isn't Hard to Find |
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Fantasy writers, note: Gene Wolfe, China Mieville, and Iain M. Banks are very good at inventing words. Where a crude, ham-handed writer would have written "Demon Summoner," Mieville comes up with the neat, compact, uncapitalized "karcist."
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I'm on the Sword of the Lictor now. I'm expecting some major revelations right about now. This is that kind of story, isn't it?
I'm enjoying it. Point of view is interesting. It seems like it starts out pure high fantasy then sci-fi elements start to invade the story. |
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Writers like Neil, Michael Swanwick, etc, keep saying that Wolfe will rock my world, and I'm still waiting. Here's Severian, who has an interesting job (which isn't explored as much as I'd like) and a cool sword. Stuff happens to him. So yeah, it's good, but not great. I've been reading a lot of really good authors lately: M. John Harrison, Iain M. Banks, Pratchett. These guys write stories that linger in my mind and invade my dreams, but the New Sun books don't do that for me. Well, Severian's sword Terminus Est is awesome. Someone should make a replica of it, though that probably wouldn't have the mercury reservoir. One thing I like is that Wolfe'e writing works as stand-alone. An ordinary person in a locked room can read a Wolfe story and it'll make sense, but an alert man will get more out of it. Upon reading the word "cacogen," the "caco" bit tells me right off that this is something I wouldn't want to come across on a dark night. |
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I have a love-hate relationship with Gene Wolfe. Some of the stuff he writes is allright and for some of it I can't wait to be done with it. I read one novel, There Are Doors, and I liked it. In Innocents Aboard I only liked about a third of the short stories and suffered through the rest of them. I simply hated the one he did for the Sandman collection. I can't really explain what works and what doesn't for me.
There are undoubtly a lot of things in common between him and Neil, especially in the themes. |
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Zoneseek, did you read Shadow of the Torturer? If I remember correctly, that one went into a lot of detail about his job as a torturer's apprentice (I think the first 1/2 of the book).
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Nope, don't have Shadow of the Torturer. You'd be surprised how much that bugs me.
How do you torture an obsessive collector? Leave him one shy of the complete set. |
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Yeah, I'll say. You're a stronger, more determined, braver dude than I. How the hell did you stuck with Wolfe so long into the series without reading that one!
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I did order it, but God knows how long that'll take.
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So Wolfe seems to be one of those writers who are resistant to quotation. Anyone want to give me a quote or passage that shows Wolfe's greatness?
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First an introduction from NG, here
One of the problems with Wolfe is that you need a big chunk of text to really catch the drift. So this will be long...
Soldier of the Mist
Flash Company, in Strange Travellers
The Shadow of the Torturer Not necessarily the best, just three I like after a quick search. Know, not think it |
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Hello everybody! I am new here and this is my first post. I saw this thread about one of my favorite authors and thought I would begin here. First off, there is no way you can possibly understand or fully appreciate and enjoy The Book of the New Sun if you have not read TSotT (Book One) first. For me, upon first reading it (my first Wolfe experience as well) I didn't like it. I found it too dense and felt kind of like nothing was happening. About halfway through, I put the book down for about six months. Every board I visited, it seemed someone there was raving about how GREAT New Sun was, so finally I decided to give it another shot and started over from the beginning--and I absolutely fell in love with it the second time around. I also better understood the sections I had read before. I went on to finish the series as well as Urth of the New Sun. I have re-read the entire series twice to date and have made new discoveries each time. Wolfe is that good. After New Sun, I went and bought every book Wolfe has written, and now he is at the top of my favorite author list right next to Jack Vance. My point is this: do try to finish the series. If you don't, you will have missed out on one of the best SF/Fantasy series there ever was.
...But, that's just my $.02 John Denver was an aviation marvel! |
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