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Miss Kitty Fantastico Member  |
I just finished it. Once again it was such fun!
I always wondered why Agnes Nutter's son was named John Device. But, then, there never was mention of a husband, so... Also, some thoughts on goodness/badness: Many times it's mentioned the angels/demons come from the same original stock. There's a bit where it says Crowley hadn't meant to fall he just hung around with the wrong crowd - he didn't so much fall as saunter vaguely downward. BUT, Aziraphale also mentions that goodness/badness for angels/demons is sort of built in, it's only humans who have free will. I don't know if I have a point, it just seems to me that Crowley has a point, that it's all just a very complicated game of solitaire. I would have thought the end of the world is everyone's responsibility, wouldn't you? ~Death in Thief of Time Minister of Kraftwerk in the Realm of U & P, Order of the Pineapple with frond for advancement in Nap studies. |
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is part of the international oatmeal conspiracy Member  |
two questions:
why does Elvis work at McLordy whatever it is called why was Shadwell in Prison (that is where he met the Captain of the Witchfinders...) High Ranking Official of the Realm of Unproductivity and Procrastination, Dean of the UUP, First Class member of the order of the Pineapple. scruffy ambulating reanimated hypothetical vegetarian leigonairre of the undead. ~ Cav Look, I've got a cape and a tendency towards violence. It does not make me a superhero! ~ Domitella |
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long time pratchett fan here. and i was a pratchett fan before i became a gaiman fan (i learned about neil when good omens came out
 and i was hooked to neil eversince) i have most of his (terry's) books (most of my collection came from the UK and it was hard to find copies here in the philippines before), and boy is he funny. some people won't get it though, and i don't get it sometimes either, but it's fun for me to comb the web and try to find out what exactly is he referring to (most of his jokes have references to pop culture, etc.)if you're planning to read pratchett, the city watch series would be the best place to start. then try rincewind, then try death. then try the witches. then try everything else. /me back to lurk mode |
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mutant hedgehog worm Member  |
because in a footnote near the start of the book they list the article headlines from the paper that red works for, and then state that one of them is true..... hence elvis in Des Moines and thats from memory so sorry if i got the details a bit off.  |
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is part of the international oatmeal conspiracy Member |
I want to be "an attractive yawn on legs"
High Ranking Official of the Realm of Unproductivity and Procrastination, Dean of the UUP, First Class member of the order of the Pineapple. scruffy ambulating reanimated hypothetical vegetarian leigonairre of the undead. ~ Cav Look, I've got a cape and a tendency towards violence. It does not make me a superhero! ~ Domitella |
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*95 gold stars* Member  |
Spot on Hal.
It's riffing on the supermarket tabloid eternal fascination with Elvis, where a single issue can run five contradictory Elvis stories without anyone noticing. Des Moines often features for some reason. I wanted the werewolf stories to be the true one though. As for Shadwell being jailed, I think what he did to get jailed is unimportant. What it does is play on a general observation that many people on their release declare a religeous conversion. Which is exactly what Shadwell has. Only it's a tad more hands on than watching Songs of Praise or not listening to Iron Maiden. Hermits have no peer pressure |
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is part of the international oatmeal conspiracy Member |
so.
famine, pollution and war all "disappear" or "back into the minds of men" why? I thought they were cruising around the earth for a long time before that? High Ranking Official of the Realm of Unproductivity and Procrastination, Dean of the UUP, First Class member of the order of the Pineapple. scruffy ambulating reanimated hypothetical vegetarian leigonairre of the undead. ~ Cav Look, I've got a cape and a tendency towards violence. It does not make me a superhero! ~ Domitella |
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they were, but they were there for a reason, and once that reason no longer had a date, they left, at least for a while.
erm, in my opinion  ~ I prefer to live in a country that's small, and old, and where no one would ever have the NERVE to wear a cape in public, whether they could leap tall buildings in a single bound or not. when's spring due?. |
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is part of the international oatmeal conspiracy Member |
but did you get the impression that they were on earth just as long as A and C (oh and by the way, HIGHLY amused but there is a Crowley Ave in Vancouver
) Why were the in form all this time? Maybe i missed something...but Famine had been working on his corporation for some time, they had always been around. I don't know why they suddenly had to disappear...High Ranking Official of the Realm of Unproductivity and Procrastination, Dean of the UUP, First Class member of the order of the Pineapple. scruffy ambulating reanimated hypothetical vegetarian leigonairre of the undead. ~ Cav Look, I've got a cape and a tendency towards violence. It does not make me a superhero! ~ Domitella |
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*95 gold stars* Member |
Perhaps their presence was created by a need for Man to have a figure to blame, other than themselves. They had all changed to reflect a modern westernised view: War became a symbiosis of both the arms industry and the media need to feed. Pollution was the scum on the river, the litter on the pavement. Famine the fad diet and junk food. At the end when Adam decides that people need to decide stuff for themselves, the need for a symbolic figure to blame for personal and national forces disappeared. (Adam cannot actually do nothing. He's similar to the Sourcerer in Sourcery in that respect). Essentially the 500 pound teenager stopped blaming the junk food corporations and the diet fads for their failure, and put down the fork themselves.
They'll be back when they can become an aspect of the modern world. I apologise if I made any sense. I did everything possible to avoid it. Hermits have no peer pressure |
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Miss Kitty Fantastico Member |
Adam similar to Coin in Sourcery.... good analogy!
sorry, you made sense to me, please work harder in future! I would have thought the end of the world is everyone's responsibility, wouldn't you? ~Death in Thief of Time Minister of Kraftwerk in the Realm of U & P, Order of the Pineapple with frond for advancement in Nap studies. |
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Coin! Thank you Maeve. Couldn't remember the little buggers name. And actually standing up, going to the bookshelf and looking it up seemed like too much hard work.
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knows there is no spoon Member  |
Some musings on the Four Horsemen:
I wonder, has anyone else ever seen the Horsemen as being pretty redundant? I mean, war, famine, pestilence, (or pollution), are ultimately just ways of dying. So it's always seemed to me that there was one horseman who truly mattered, Death. Essentially the others were just death with a different name, a different face. I thought at the time of my first reading that this at least contributed to their disapearance. They had no substance of their own. Plus you can also argue that all except death are within humanity's ability to affect or control. People can choose not to fight for example, we have enough food production to wipe out famine, we can control or limit pestinilence and pollution. And that just leaves death... James Wandering, but not lost. "You are a Knight Errant. All of the fun of rescuing damsels, and none of the paperwork." |
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mutant hedgehog worm Member |
this is going to be one of my 'maybe there wasn't really a reason' at least not a consious one for them to dissappear after the final thing suggestions
maybe i'm simplifying things too much, but i figure that alot of the time authors don't really spend years analysing and working out the reasons why characters do something, it just 'fits' with the story. This is probably why i didn't do so well in english argueing that others are reading too much into something that happens in a story or book isn't usually appreciated. Perhaps it's just that the 4 horsemen of the apocalpyse are only around as part of armaggedion, therefore they aren't needed once it has occured.... and all you are left with is death because his fuction exceeds that of being just a horseman. |
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you just agreed with me hehe, I was never very good at analysing books either...and erm, we're in charge of the book clubs  ~ I prefer to live in a country that's small, and old, and where no one would ever have the NERVE to wear a cape in public, whether they could leap tall buildings in a single bound or not. when's spring due?. |
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mutant hedgehog worm Member |
bwahahaha i did too!
though i managed to use the word 'fuction' which sounds very dodgy BS all the way!  As for book clubs yikes you are right! how did the non-lit's end up doing that??!! |
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is part of the international oatmeal conspiracy Member |
but they were around before armageddon, which is my problem. but then again, armageddon was pretty much predicted from teh beginning ot Christianity on....
hee hee i'm non-lit too, just historian High Ranking Official of the Realm of Unproductivity and Procrastination, Dean of the UUP, First Class member of the order of the Pineapple. scruffy ambulating reanimated hypothetical vegetarian leigonairre of the undead. ~ Cav Look, I've got a cape and a tendency towards violence. It does not make me a superhero! ~ Domitella |
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*95 gold stars* Member |
Can I borrow that word? Just for the weekend? Hermits have no peer pressure |
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mutant hedgehog worm Member |
feel free cav feel free
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The Four Horsemen are something of a progression, notice Death is last, the knockout punch.
I have an uncle with a dog named Dog. Then Dog had puppies, which were naturally named Cat, Mouse, Fish, and so on. I like Aziraphale, fellow bookworm. Finally finding a book you've been hunting for ages, man, I know what that feels like. |
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