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Writer of Buffy the Vampire Slayer, and thus some of the coolest dialogue utttered by man. And according to the note after his Earth X intro, he also wrote Toy Story. Which rocks.
So: Joss is God. Any questions?
 
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Used to have a lot of faith in him. The flamming shitte hole that was the last few episodes of this season have made me question that. His recent comments to the effect that no one in the Buffyverse has any meaning other than to push the big three into different situations has pushed me yet further away. I'm given the next season 2-3 episodes then I'm gone if something really good doesn't happen.

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I actually rather liked this season's finale. It wasn't as suprenatural or creepy as they have been, but it gave the characters a whole new motivation for next season and then stopped, which makes me interested in what's going to happen next year.

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I hated it. Up and down and sideways I hated it. They killed Tara so Willow could go evil.. okay, I could live with that (even though Joss said, in on uncertain terms, that would not happen). But she only stays evil for 2 damn episodes? They killed the best character on the show for 2 episodes worth of motivation? They suddenly start calling her Wiccan loudly of often now that she's evil? Then closed the arc with a pathetic and sappy 'i love you' chant? Ugh. That was the worse I've seen the writing on buffy in a long time.

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Amber Benson was going part-time. I'm not sure that Joss had a choice in at least partially writing her out. And he's said many times, dead doesn't mean much. Buffy's died twice and come back, Joyce has made guest appearances, as have a number of other dead characters. So, to me, Tara's death wasn't all that shocking . . . well, the manner in which it was done was. That was a good scene. The last thing she said was out of concern for Willow's wardrobe, which is so Tara. I guess I mean that the death itself wasn't too shocking once it settled in. She'll be back, I'm sure of that, just not maybe as we all remember her.

As for Willow turning evil for 2 episodes, I don't think she only turned evil for 2 episodes. She went all black-eyed and massively destructive for 2 episodes, but she was evil a long, long time before that. In fact, at the beginning of the season, the argument could be made that she was quite evil. Raising the dead goes against everything she should have believed in, but she did it anyway, ostensibly to help a friend. But if that friend was the major focus for her, why did she get so snappy and defensive when it's less-than-complete success was pointed out, and why did she seem to get off on the power and later easily fall into the trap of black magick?

And Zander saved the world, finally. Vengeance for leaving him out of it in "The Zeppo."

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Tara's death was the breaking point for Willow. She finally snapped and gave herself completely over to the dark forces rather than just fiddling with them like she had been all season. Joss has been setting Tara up to be some type of spiritual guide ever since the "dreaming" episode. She and the guy with the cheese were in every dream.

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I loved the cheese guy.

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I've heard the last season blamed on Marti Noxon... I missed most of it, but i've been seeing it in reruns. Everyone's getting so unlikable-- Buffy's depressing and sexually obsessed with Spike, Spike's violent (not in an evil way, just in a domestic way), Xander left his bride at the alter, Dawn's a klepto, and Willow went Dark Phoneix (as most people knew she would).
Its okay, i guess, but i think i'm liking "Angel" better... heck, i'm finding "Smallville" more fun. I've got hope for next season, though...
 
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And Josh wrote (or was it co-wrote?) Titan A.E. as well!
 
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And Josh wrote (or was it co-wrote?) Titan A.E. as well!

Yes, but we won't hold him responsible for that one.

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He also wrote the worst line in the X-Men movie ("Do you know what happens to a toad that gets struck by lightning? Same thing that happens tio everything else".) but that wasn't his fault. It was supposed to be deadpanned, but Halle Berry screwed up the delivery. This is according to an Onion article, anyway.
Is Frey any good?
 
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I havn't read Frey myself, but I've heard very good things about it.

To reply to Meadra: I know why she died, that wasn't my big problem with it. My problem comes from her going evil for only two lousy episodes, and then they are going to come back and everything is going to be 'shiny happy buffy' again. No fallout, no punishment... just back to normal (according to Joss, Fury, Noxon, and another interview I read). If her going evil was going to be a big issue fine, great.. i could deal. I still wouldn't like it but I would feel it had a point. But killing her off just to have a big 3 episodes?

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I havn't read Frey myself, but I've heard very good things about it.

To reply to Meadra: I know why she died, that wasn't my big problem with it. My problem comes from her going evil for only two lousy episodes, and then they are going to come back and everything is going to be 'shiny happy buffy' again. No fallout, no punishment... just back to normal (according to Joss, Fury, Noxon, and another interview I read). If her going evil was going to be a big issue fine, great.. i could deal. I still wouldn't like it but I would feel it had a point. But killing her off just to have a big 3 episodes?

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According to interviews I've read, Willow is going to have to deal with the guilt and consequences of killing Warren and everything she did. I think that she was evil (or at least amoral) all season. The last two episodes were where everything came to a head. All the evil she had been managing to hide from even herself came pouring out.

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According to interviews I've read, Willow is going to have to deal with the guilt and consequences of killing Warren and everything she did. I think that she was evil (or at least amoral) all season. The last two episodes were where everything came to a head. All the evil she had been managing to hide from even herself came pouring out.


The interviews I've read have been leaning in another direction. I'm going to give it an episode or three next season, but if they are going to just brush off characters like that and not deal with the consequences, I'm gone. If they do a good job having Willow coming to grips that she is a murderer, then we'll see..

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jello, remember, the show is going to start three months later. It always has. The characters will have had three months to come to grips with what happened so stuff may not be resolved in the first episiode or two.

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Yes, I know that. IMHO, it will be a complete cop-out and destroy the impact of Tara's death if they come back and say "Oh, they dealt with it while you weren't looking. It's okay now" and I will stop watching the show, period. I loved the show for all of season 5 and most of season 6. But I'm not going to keep myself involved with it if they are going to consider everyone besides Buffy, Willow, and Zander as throw-away.

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So who else has been considered a "throw-away"? Anthony Stewart Head left because he wanted to live in England full-time and Amber Benson was never a regular.

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That comes from a comment I saw Joss make in an interview recently. He basically said he doesn't care at all about the secondary characters. THey are only there to push Buffy, Xander, and Willow into different places, that's it. The show is about them, period, and everyone/thing else is expendable.

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That's the reason they're called "secondary characters." They aren't as important as the main characters and their main importance is to get the main characters to where they are supposed to be (physically, spiritually, mentally, etc.).

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However, 'not as important' isn't the same thing as 'throwaway only here to push the other characters around'. At least not to me. I don't want to waste my time and energy getting attached to new characters that the creators themselves have no attachment to. Maybe I'm connecting too much but damnit it hurt watching Tara die. Hearing them say "Yeah, she died. So? She wasn't a main character, too bad." make me want to avoid getting involved with any of their other characters.

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